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To: Godzilla
Sorry TC, Marcellus struck out and grossly failed to relate to the whole of scripture on the subject - choosing to only focus upon the clouds and associated metaphors.

I realize it is not dispensationalist pulp fiction, but you should read the entire book, An Eschatology of Victory. He deals with every one of your objection ... from the Bible not from personal opinion.

As long as you insist on spreading your own interpretation on the text of Scripture, rather than allowing Scripture to interpret Scripture, you will never come to the truth.

299 posted on 07/28/2009 7:43:54 PM PDT by topcat54 (Don't believe in a pre-anything rapture? Join "Naysayers for Jesus")
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To: topcat54
I realize it is not dispensationalist pulp fiction, but you should read the entire book, An Eschatology of Victory. He deals with every one of your objection ... from the Bible not from personal opinion.

But it is pulp fiction just the same.

As long as you insist on spreading your own interpretation on the text of Scripture, rather than allowing Scripture to interpret Scripture, you will never come to the truth.

I thought the one liners belonged to us? You would do yourself a great favor by learning the scriptural basis upon which dispensationalists base their understanding of the bible rather than spouting off this drivel. You are beginning to bore me with such tripe while avoiding the straight forward scripture examples I've provided. I've given you numerous citations from the MT 24 that were not fulfilled in the slightest in AD 70. You further have failed to state if Zechariah 12—14 is a parallel to the Olivet discourse. I am at a loss to see where I am not allowing scripture to interpret scripture in these cases - whereas it appears you preterism is coloring your reading.

Really TC, the preterist position you are espousing fails upon the simple facts of history, and a flawed replacement of the nation of Israel in the end times. Should you want to review the whole scripture, prophetically Israel is promised to be redeemed in the end times - not the church. Should you wish, go verse by verse through Mt 24-25 and show the fulfillment in AD 70. Remember, the disciples asked for a semeion - sign, mark, token, a visible, unmistakable event to authenticate the prophecy.

Finally, prophecies concerning Jesus were fulfilled literally. There is no reason to believe that prophecies from the same Jesus would be fulfilled in any other manner than literally.

However, it seems that you are unable to provide a textural interpretation of those passages and rely upon an appeal to authority. I could cite the works of J. Dwight Pentecost as a counter, or Thomas Ice or many others. Kik's work is shallow and incomplete, particular the citation you chose. You ignored the other passages I cited. So do your homework and perhaps there may be something more intelligent we can talk about in the future

301 posted on 07/28/2009 8:15:36 PM PDT by Godzilla (TEA - Taxed Enough Already)
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