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To: annalex

“What do you call that place where people enter for purification after judgement, and following the purification they are saved?”

I don’t need a name, for no such place exists. We are saved, not by having our sins burned out of us, but by the blood of the Lamb.

“But because of his great love for us, God, who is rich in mercy, made us alive with Christ even when we were dead in transgressions—it is by grace you have been saved. And God raised us up with Christ and seated us with him in the heavenly realms in Christ Jesus, in order that in the coming ages he might show the incomparable riches of his grace, expressed in his kindness to us in Christ Jesus. For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this not from yourselves, it is the gift of God— 9not by works, so that no one can boast.” - Ephesians 2.4-8

HAVE BEEN saved, not will be once your sin is burned away.

“18 Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because he has not believed in the name of God’s one and only Son.” - John 3

And I believe, if bdeaner is correct, that Catholic doctrine agrees with me that we are saved before death. Where we differ is if Christians will still face punishment for sins after death. Since it seems kind of important, I reckon SOMEONE would have mentioned it SOMEWHERE in Scripture.

Like the Primacy of Peter, it is one of those Catholic doctrines that is conspicuous by its absence.


179 posted on 07/20/2009 4:53:43 PM PDT by Mr Rogers (I loathe the ground he slithers on!)
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To: Mr Rogers

You originally said that the Purgatory is not there in the Scripture, and I showed you where it is. What you believe contrary to scripture is of no concern here, as the thread is about Catholic Mariology, not your theological fantasies.

Yours was just another example of some communities of faith that came into existence following the so-called Reformation professing an interest in the Holy Scripture without having any knowledge or respect for it.

If you have further questions about what Purgatory is, please find an appropriate thread or start one, and ping me. I enjoy explaining Catholic doctrine.


188 posted on 07/20/2009 5:13:03 PM PDT by annalex (http://www.catecheticsonline.com/CatenaAurea.php)
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