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To: kosta50

“”If you want a theological take on it, he died in his human nature a real death, just like any one of us. Having assumed the sins of the whole world, he suffered corruption and death, even if he personally did not commit those sins.””

I agree with this

The point I’m trying to make here is that sin had no power over Christ because death was defeated in His Resurrection

“”But the “New Eve” according to the Latin Church never had a fallen nature to overcome.””

It’s explained by God granting Mary a singular act of Grace not given to any other creature other than Adam and Eve,thus, Mary’s obedience overturned the disobedience of eve and thus become the New Eve to become universal mother of all that have been redeemed.

God is not limited in granting Mary this special Grace,dear brother

Here is more from Fulton Sheen....

“Our Blessed Mother: not only did she beget a Son, but the Son also begot her. This is the connection between Bethlehem and Calvary. She gave Him Sonship, but He also gave her Motherhood. At the crib ... His Mother; at the Cross she was called the “Woman.” No Son in the world but Christ could ever make His Mother the mother of all men, because the flesh is possessive and exclusive. Making her the Woman or the Universal Mother was like a new creative word. He made her twice: once for Himself, and once for us in His Mystical Body. She made Him as the new Adam; He now installs her as the new Eve, the Mother of mankind.

This transfer of His Mother to men was, appropriately, at the moment He redeemed them. That word “Woman” from the Cross was the second Annunciation, and John was the second Nativity. What joy went with her mothering Him! What anguish went with His Mothering her! Mary’s mind was filled with the thought of Divinity in the stable; but at Golgotha it is sinners that are uppermost in her mind, and she now begins their mothering. The curse of Eve hangs heavily on Mary: “Thou shalt bring forth children in sorrow.” When we contrast the great difference between her Divine Son and us, her sorrow, from our point of view, must have been not only “How can I live without Him?” but also “How can I live with them?” This was the miracle of substitution, for how can one be satisfied with straggling rays when one has been with the sun? The humility of which she sang at the Magnificat was not only a confession of unworthiness to be the Mother of God, but also the admission now of her readiness to be the Mother of man. It was a grief not to die with Him; it was a greater grief to live on with us.”
Taken from THE WORLD’S FIRST LOVE by Bishop Fulton Sheen 1952http://www.catholictradition.org/Mary/mary-sword1.htm

I’m off to enjoy the day.

I wish you a blessed day!


168 posted on 07/19/2009 7:08:10 AM PDT by stfassisi ((The greatest gift God gives us is that of overcoming self"-St Francis Assisi)))
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To: stfassisi
The point I’m trying to make here is that sin had no power over Christ because death was defeated in His Resurrection

Because, Christ being God, death could not keep him. It's really no special effort on his part, is there? His resurrection (as per the Creed) is proof of his own divinity, yet Paul insists that he was raised by God and not on his own.

thus, Mary’s obedience overturned the disobedience of eve and thus become the New Eve to become universal mother of all that have been redeemed.

I am not disputing that. I asked why did she die if she was created as a pre-fall human and never sinned.

169 posted on 07/19/2009 3:38:25 PM PDT by kosta50 (Don't look up, the truth is all around you)
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