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To: driftdiver
There is a HUGE difference between praying FOR someone and praying TO someone.

YES. And there is a HUGE difference between ASKING someone to pray FOR you and praying TO that person.

Catholics ask others -- including the Saints and Mary -- to pray FOR them, we do not pray TO them (not unless we are heretics).
73 posted on 06/28/2009 7:16:12 AM PDT by bdeaner (The bread which we break, is it not a participation in the body of Christ? (1 Cor. 10:16))
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To: bdeaner; All

Perhaps you can give me the interpretation of the following from the Council of Florence, which I believe is considered to be an Ecumenical Council of the Roman Catholic Church, which is in line with the article?

It firmly believes, professes, and proclaims that those not living within the Catholic Church, not only pagans, but also Jews and heretics and schismatics cannot become participants in eternal life, but will depart “into everlasting fire which was prepared for the devil and his angels” [Matt. 25:41], unless before the end of life the same have been added to the flock; and that the unity of the ecclesiastical body is so strong that only to those remaining in it are the sacraments of the Church of benefit for salvation, and do fastings, almsgiving, and other functions of piety and exercises of Christian service produce eternal reward, and that no one, whatever almsgiving he has practiced, even if he has shed blood for the name of Christ, can be saved, unless he has remained in the bosom and unity of the Catholic Church. (Denzinger 714).

Wow, shedding blood for Christ! That is a doozy for the Catholic Church to defend with its new Vatican II veneer. Is that one of those two thousand year old unchanging traditions taught by Christ to the apostles? Auigh!

Father, forgive them for they know not what they do in Your name...


80 posted on 06/28/2009 8:09:12 AM PDT by Ottofire (Philippians 1:21: For to me, to live is Christ and to die is gain.)
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To: bdeaner
Catholics ask others -- including the Saints and Mary -- to pray FOR them, we do not pray TO them (not unless we are heretics)

Well you just condemned yourself on a public forum...Here are just a couple of pages of your 'prayers to Mary'...And many of those prayers DO NOT ask for intercession but are actual prayers to Mary for her to provide relief for whatever ails you...

http://www.marypages.com/PrayerstoMary.htm
http://www.cptryon.org/prayer/heal/mary.html

120 posted on 06/28/2009 10:25:07 AM PDT by Iscool (I don't understand all that I know...)
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