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To: Petronski
"17 Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation. The old has passed away; behold, the new has come."

Born again is an idea that shows up repeatedly in the New Testament. We die with Christ, and are risen with him. "...if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation."

Justification is always in the past tense - at least, everywhere I can think of. No where does it say 'Have faith, do good deeds, and see what happens'.

As a practical matter, how can you tell for yourself, or others?

For myself, I have the Spirit within me..."5 For you did not receive the spirit of slavery to fall back into fear, but you have received the Spirit of adoption as sons, by whom we cry, "Abba! Father!" 16 The Spirit himself bears witness with our spirit that we are children of God, 17 and if children, then heirs—heirs of God and fellow heirs with Christ, provided we suffer with him in order that we may also be glorified with him."

With others, there is no certain way to tell. I had a roommate that I assumed was Christian, but one day he walked in and announced he had become a Buddhist. I girl I knew in college SEEMED like a Christian - but one evening, she was talking with a friend she had known for 10 years, and burst into tear. "I've never become a Christian", she cried.

"So, what are you waiting for?", replied Tip.

Meanwhile, I've seen non-Christians do many good things while denying God exists.

After all, even St Paul wrote: "12 For what have I to do with judging outsiders? Is it not those inside the church whom you are to judge? 13 God judges those outside. "Purge the evil person from among you."

670 posted on 06/29/2009 3:28:51 PM PDT by Mr Rogers (I loathe the ground he slithers on!)
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To: Mr Rogers
Well, if we're relying on the present tense in this passage, for instance:
We die with Christ, and are risen with him.
we'll have to recognize that it is NOT saying "We are dying with Christ and are rising with Him."

I don't know the proper name of the present tense at use here, but it's the same as the statement "I drive on the right side of the road." That statement is true even though I'm not driving now. Or "he who lives by the sword dies by the sword" does not refer to things happening at the present moment, but rather, the way things work.

As a practical matter, how can you tell for yourself...

I live with the hope and faith that in His mercy He will find that I had done enough.

673 posted on 06/29/2009 3:35:01 PM PDT by Petronski (In Germany they came first for the Communists, And I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist...)
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