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To: GeronL
Here is a short excerpt

When the Church infallibly teaches extra ecclesiam, nulla salus, it does not say that non-Catholics cannot be saved. In fact, it affirms the contrary. The purpose of the teaching is to tell us how Jesus Christ makes salvation available to all human beings.

Exact opposite of what you attacked in your statement. How's that for defying expectations? I am guessing you didn't know this is the Church's teaching. Am I right? Or not?
5 posted on 06/27/2009 10:59:14 PM PDT by bdeaner (The bread which we break, is it not a participation in the body of Christ? (1 Cor. 10:16))
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To: bdeaner

I am simply getting used to those ‘Radio Replies’ posts that attack non-Catholic institutions as illegitimate


6 posted on 06/27/2009 11:01:26 PM PDT by GeronL (http://libertyfic.proboards.com <----go there now,----> tyrannysentinel.blogspot.com)
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To: bdeaner
Too bad that is not what the article concluded:

The Catholic Church is "the single and exclusive channel by which the truth and grace of Christ enter our world of space and time" (Karl Adam, The Spirit of Catholicism, 179). Those who do not know the Church, even those who fight against it, can receive these gifts if they honestly seek God and his truth. But, Adam says, "though it be not the Catholic Church itself that hands them the bread of truth and grace, yet it is Catholic bread that they eat." And when they eat of it, "without knowing it or willing it" they are "incorporated in the supernatural substance of the Church."

Highlighted text is quite relevant. Thankfully no one comes to God except through Christ. Not the pope, not a church. Christ. That's biblical, the dogma (which is the word the author used) highlighted above is not.

9 posted on 06/27/2009 11:04:39 PM PDT by PugetSoundSoldier (Indignation over the sting of truth is the defense of the indefensible)
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To: bdeaner

Depends on how one slices it often enough.

I knew that well informed RC’s assert, evidently from quality official documents, that The Vatican asserts that folks can be saved outside the Vatican/RC organization.

However, in terms of what’s often pontificated hereon, it’s easy to lose sight of that because some very strident folks

MAKE IT SOUND LIKE

that’s simply not the case and anyone outside the RC edifice is eternally beyond the pale.

Sometimes, it seems, like RC’s like to have their cake and eat it too.


18 posted on 06/27/2009 11:35:47 PM PDT by Quix (POL Ldrs quotes fm1900 2 presnt: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: bdeaner

Confession time - I have heard the expression used many times by some Catholics as a way to exclude others from the Church and from Salvation - I would be lying if I said anything else - so it is good to have this explanation and and a fuller understanding of ‘The Church’ in this post.

Thanks

Mel


64 posted on 06/28/2009 3:09:05 AM PDT by melsec (A Proud Aussie)
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