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To: kosta50

No, my hypothesis does NOT go away. IF we can breed dogs for behaviors, then behavior CAN have a genetic base. And if it can be genetic in dogs, then it can in humans.

With dogs, it takes perhaps 20-30 generations of selection to get fairly reliable results. There is no reason to believe humans are different, except singling out a behavior genetically for humans is impossible - not because genes don’t work that way, but because we cannot do the tests to prove it.

Your ASSERTION that a chasm exists between humans and other animals would rightly be laughed at by behaviorists. And, your ASSERTION is a leap of faith of your own.

If you choose to make leaps of faith, why not do so in the right direction?


2,770 posted on 07/20/2009 9:41:50 PM PDT by Mr Rogers (I loathe the ground he slithers on!)
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To: Mr Rogers
No, my hypothesis does NOT go away. IF we can breed dogs for behaviors, then behavior CAN have a genetic base. And if it can be genetic in dogs, then it can in humans.

You are right, a hypothesis that is never tested will not go away, so your strawman has nothing to worry about. You can speculate all you want, you will never know. What we do know is that in inbred communities no specific behavior has been linked to anything genetic, unlearned, innate among humans.

There is no reason to believe humans are different, except singling out a behavior genetically for humans is impossible - not because genes don’t work that way, but because we cannot do the tests to prove it

There is every reason to believe that humans are different because they are. We can demonstrate that, even if we don't know why. You don't have to take that on blind faith. No human known complex behavior (except for some maturational reflexes such as Babinski, grasping and sucking, but they are not really 'complex') is unlearned, innate, or "instinctive". Yet in animals there are plenty of such innate behavior patterns.

Your ASSERTION that a chasm exists between humans and other animals would rightly be laughed at by behaviorists. And, your ASSERTION is a leap of faith of your own.

Leap of faith? You wish. Sorry to disappoint you: it's an assertion based on fact. Humans simply do not show the same genetically-based behavior patterns the animals do. That constitutes a functional chasm.

If you choose to make leaps of faith, why not do so in the right direction?

How do you know it;s the 'right' direction?

2,774 posted on 07/21/2009 9:57:50 AM PDT by kosta50 (Don't look up, the truth is all around you)
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