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To: kosta50

Humans live a long time, and we cannot control their breeding. We can and have with dogs, and have bred dogs to behave in certain ways. I had a Border Collie that was 5 when she had her first and only chance to work sheep. The sheep were just off the range and not used to dogs, so it was a tough challenge - but she gathered them up and drove them thru two gates into a far pasture with ZERO training.

The rancher - who expected her to fail - offered to buy her. I turned him down because she was our pet.

That was a complex series of behaviors executed by a dog that hadn’t seen sheep between 8 weeks and 5 years.

We are animals as well. Our bodies affect our minds, and our minds use multiple ways to solve problems. Logic is merely one, and it is completely unsuitable for some decisions. You cannot use logic to get across a room. Your mind uses the same processes, but it couldn’t process the information needed via conscious thought.


2,726 posted on 07/19/2009 9:50:34 AM PDT by Mr Rogers (I loathe the ground he slithers on!)
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To: Mr Rogers
Humans live a long time, and we cannot control their breeding. We can and have with dogs, and have bred dogs to behave in certain ways

Humans can be studied through identical twins. Please cite studies that conclude that humans have inbred or innate behaviors. the few humans examples of humans who grew up in the wild without human contact were animals in every sense.

Walking is not learned. It's a maturational development. At some point in his development a human will begin to walk. No play pen needed.

female mammals have estrus. Female humans do no have estrus. There are numerous other examples that humans are "humans" based on how they are raised.

Our bodies affect our minds, and our minds use multiple ways to solve problems

It is through the understanding of the cause and effect (logic) that humans learned how to control their impulses and superstitions, wlel at eats some of them anyway.

2,728 posted on 07/19/2009 3:17:33 PM PDT by kosta50 (Don't look up, the truth is all around you)
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To: Mr Rogers; kosta50

Can someone explain to me the significance of genetics for the topic under discussion? I seem to have missed something. I appreciate it if you could catch me up. With my training in psychology, I would have a lot to contribute to the discussion of behavior and genetics, but I somehow missed where this related back to theological issues we have been discussing.


2,734 posted on 07/19/2009 8:55:50 PM PDT by bdeaner (The bread which we break, is it not a participation in the body of Christ? (1 Cor. 10:16))
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