The only "start" I see from your array of verses here is a beginning of circular reasoning...
Some guys named Matthew, Mark and John claim they wrote down what Jesus had to say...Why is it you believe them but not Paul???
Why do you quote/post bible verses if you don't think or are not convinced they are true???
Is that the position of your church as well??? They figure Paul maybe made a lot of stuff up??? Or maybe Paul never even existed???
Maybe there is no adoption of Gentiles into the church....Why do you even call yourselves Christians when you don't even believe the Christian Bible???
How do you know Jesus really said, 'Eat my flesh'??? You go thru that ritual just in case???
You ask for evidence...I give it to you and you say how do I know the bible is true...
Well what makes you a Christian???
You use Paul's statement that the church is the pillar and ground of the truth...And now you say you don't even know if Paul really ever said that...How can you even be sure there's a God???
Luke 16: 19"There was a rich man who was dressed in purple and fine linen and lived in luxury every day. 20At his gate was laid a beggar named Lazarus, covered with sores 21and longing to eat what fell from the rich man's table. Even the dogs came and licked his sores.
22"The time came when the beggar died and the angels carried him to Abraham's side. The rich man also died and was buried. 23In hell,[c] where he was in torment, he looked up and saw Abraham far away, with Lazarus by his side. 24So he called to him, 'Father Abraham, have pity on me and send Lazarus to dip the tip of his finger in water and cool my tongue, because I am in agony in this fire.'
25"But Abraham replied, 'Son, remember that in your lifetime you received your good things, while Lazarus received bad things, but now he is comforted here and you are in agony. 26And besides all this, between us and you a great chasm has been fixed, so that those who want to go from here to you cannot, nor can anyone cross over from there to us.'
27"He answered, 'Then I beg you, father, send Lazarus to my father's house, 28for I have five brothers. Let him warn them, so that they will not also come to this place of torment.'
29"Abraham replied, 'They have Moses and the Prophets; let them listen to them.'
30" 'No, father Abraham,' he said, 'but if someone from the dead goes to them, they will repent.'
31"He said to him, 'If they do not listen to Moses and the Prophets, they will not be convinced even if someone rises from the dead.' " ...
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Luke 20: 1 ... Then Jesus said to them, "How is it that they say the Christ is the Son of David? 42David himself declares in the Book of Psalms:
" 'The Lord said to my Lord:
"Sit at my right hand
43until I make your enemies
a footstool for your feet." ' 44David calls him 'Lord.' How then can he be his son?"
45While all the people were listening, Jesus said to his disciples, 46"Beware of the teachers of the law. They like to walk around in flowing robes and love to be greeted in the marketplaces and have the most important seats in the synagogues and the places of honor at banquets. 47They devour widows' houses and for a show make lengthy prayers. Such men will be punished most severely." ...
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Romans 8: 9 You, however, are controlled not by the sinful nature but by the Spirit, if the Spirit of God lives in you. And if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he does not belong to Christ. 10 But if Christ is in you, your body is dead because of sin, yet your spirit is alive because of righteousness. 11 And if the Spirit of him who raised Jesus from the dead is living in you, he who raised Christ from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies through his Spirit, who lives in you. -
-with love, Jesus and Paul
They never claimed that. The oldest fragments of the Gospels are anonymous. It was almost two centuries later that the Church added "According to [kata].... (adding the name of the Apostle who supposedly wrote each book).
...Why is it you believe them but not Paul???
I am not the one who is making any claims as regards the authenticity of their writings. But there is a huge difference between the Gospels and Pauline epistles. For one, Paul is the judge and the jury. No witnesses to corroborate his claims. At least the Gospels have some degree of internal agreement.
I would imagine that, assuming the Gospels are records of eyewitnesses (and that can be debated), they represent God in person, and not "experienced" in some internal inspiration. It's one thing to say "Jesus said before all..." and another to say "I saw a vision..."
Why do you quote/post bible verses if you don't think or are not convinced they are true???
I don't quote the Bible to prove the verses are true. I quote them because they are in context of the discussion. Besides, that's the only language some recognize, so what else will I quote to them?
Is that the position of your church as well??? They figure Paul maybe made a lot of stuff up??? Or maybe Paul never even existed???
I don't speak for any church or the Church. I just ask how do you know that what Paul says is "God-inspired."
Maybe there is no adoption of Gentiles into the church....Why do you even call yourselves Christians when you don't even believe the Christian Bible???
You are not answering my question, Iscool. Instead you are asking me questions! I simply asked how do you know that what Paul said is inspired, and you gave me a bunch of verses, and then I asked you how do you know what the verses say is true, and your response is asking me questions! I made no definitive statements as regards Paul or the Bible.
I simply asked how do you know what you claim as fact. So, if you don't mind, let's try to stay on track.
How do you know Jesus really said, 'Eat my flesh'??? You go thru that ritual just in case???
I don't. That's why I asked you because you seem to claim you do.
You ask for evidence...I give it to you and you say how do I know the bible is true...
Wouldn't you ask for evidence if someone said "I saw pink unicorns on Jupiter?" And you didn't give me evidence, you gave me the Bible! So, I asked you, okay, how do you know what the Bible says is true...and you find that strange? If you say "this is good for you" and I ask you how do you know it is, and instead of an answer you ask me "and how do you know it isn't?"! That's just plain wrong, but it's telling me that you really don't know...
You think it's strange to ask how does one know what he claims to know? I find that strange!
Well what makes you a Christian???
I didn't say I am. What makes you a Christian? It can't be knowledge because so far you gave me nothing to indicate how do you KNOW these things. Again, I made no statements, just asked questions. Instead of telling me how do you know you are asking me questions!
You use Paul's statement that the church is the pillar and ground of the truth...And now you say you don't even know if Paul really ever said that...
I said that? Where? As far as I know, at least seven of Paul's thirteen Epistles are written by someone who calls himself Paul. I don't dispute that. But I don't see why I should consider what he wrote to be God-breathed. You seem to think it is, so I asked you how do you know and you give me the Bible! So, then, how do you know the Bible is God-inspired? because Paul said so, right? Wrong.
Circular reasoning is no proof, Iscool. You can't say Paul is inspired because the Bible says so, and then say the Bible is true because it is the word of God because Paul is speaking God's words, which are in the Bible...
How can you even be sure there's a God???
Obviously I am not the one making definitive statements. But you do. So, asking me questions is silly because if I knew, as you claim you do, why would I be asking you questions!?! So tell me , how do you know that God does exist, and how do you know what you claim to know is really God?
***Impressive. In other words, because Paul says so in the Bible? And how do you know what’s in the Bible is true? Wait, let me guessbecause Paul says so, right? And how do you know what Paul says is true? Wait, I get itbecause it’s in the Bible! Right!?
The only “start” I see from your array of verses here is a beginning of circular reasoning...
Some guys named Matthew, Mark and John claim they wrote down what Jesus had to say...Why is it you believe them but not Paul???***
I believe that there was a Luke in there too. The difference is that Paul is a man speaking of himself. The four Gospel authors report what Jesus (and the Apostles) did and said according the the witnesses that they were able to find. There is internal agreement of much of their writings.
***You ask for evidence...I give it to you and you say how do I know the bible is true...***
You claim that you know the Bible is true, whereas, in reality, one can only believe that the Bible is true.