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To: Iscool
How about just believing God instead...

Luk 16:22 And it came to pass, that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels into Abraham's bosom: the rich man also died, and was buried;

Luk 16:23 And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torment, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom.

AMEN! Astounding how some can read the printed words and not see or hear the truth. Almost as if they had been blinded.

The over-arching point the RCC misses (intentionally, after all these centuries) is that we are meant to be conceptual beings, above the coarse "feelings" and "instincts" of animals. This very reason is why God determined to speak to man through His written word. Concepts. Not just sight and sound and emotion. Reasoning and conceptualizations. Smells and bells don't cut it.

"And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God." -- Romans 12:2

1,639 posted on 07/03/2009 10:41:11 AM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg

***AMEN! Astounding how some can read the printed words and not see or hear the truth. Almost as if they had been blinded.

The over-arching point the RCC misses (intentionally, after all these centuries) is that we are meant to be conceptual beings, above the coarse “feelings” and “instincts” of animals. This very reason is why God determined to speak to man through His written word. Concepts. Not just sight and sound and emotion. Reasoning and conceptualizations. Smells and bells don’t cut it.***

Once again, the Calvinist omits the ‘us only’ phrase.

What is the literal translation of hell in Luke 16 here? It is Hades - the place of departed souls. Once again the Calvinist misinterprets Scripture. The Gospels are dangerous for the Calvinist, Dr. E. The Reformed Titanic founders each time that the Gospels are opened and read.


1,644 posted on 07/03/2009 1:36:55 PM PDT by MarkBsnr ( I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg

Amen to #1639...


1,649 posted on 07/03/2009 3:50:57 PM PDT by Iscool (I don't understand all that I know...)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
What is the literal translation of hell in Luke 16 here? It is Hades - the place of departed souls.

So the rich man was having a conversation while he was in his grave, eh??? And in that 4x8 hole was a great gulf and he could see Lazarath on the other side??? And he was in great torment in the grave???

And when Jesus went into the earth to take captivity captive, he went into a grave???

I'd say you ought to lighten up on those private interpretations...

You guys can quote some scripture, or it's all copy and paste from one of the millions of Catholic web sites but still, after reading all that scripture even if you read some just by accident, how do you not understand what happens to people when they die???

Sure, the rich man's body was and is in the grave...But his soul was and is in Hell...His body will come out of the grave just as Christians' bodies comes out of the grave at redemption...

1,650 posted on 07/03/2009 4:30:30 PM PDT by Iscool (I don't understand all that I know...)
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