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To: Petronski; bdeaner; Marysecretary; Alamo-Girl

They both were adopted once. I didn’t need to repeat their adoption every time they screwed up.

Hardly the same thing, even remotely.


Romans 8

“13 For if you live according to the flesh you will die, but if by the Spirit you put to death the deeds of the body, you will live. 14 For all who are led by the Spirit of God are sons of God. 15 For you did not receive the spirit of slavery to fall back into fear, but you have received the Spirit of adoption as sons, by whom we cry, “Abba! Father!” 16 The Spirit himself bears witness with our spirit that we are children of God, 17 and if children, then heirs — heirs of God and fellow heirs with Christ, provided we suffer with him in order that we may also be glorified with him.”

Mind you, I’m not saying ‘Invite Jesus into your life, then live as you please’. Verse 15 follows verse 13. In fact, I dislike the phrase ‘invite Jesus into your life’, since we are called to death and a new birth - not a house guest, or friend who comes over for tea.

If you are a son, then you are a son. Period. If you have been united with Christ in baptism, you have died to the Law. Romans 6 “4 Likewise, my brothers, you also have died to the law through the body of Christ, so that you may belong to another, to him who has been raised from the dead, in order that we may bear fruit for God. 5 For while we were living in the flesh, our sinful passions, aroused by the law, were at work in our members to bear fruit for death. 6 But now we are released from the law, having died to that which held us captive, so that we serve in the new way of the Spirit and not in the old way of the written code.”

This speaks of justification - “has made perfect forever”, not sanctification - “those who are being made holy”. But neither does it deny the need for sanctification. It is NOT a license to sin, for we have been saved “so that you may belong to another, to him who has been raised from the dead, in order that we may bear fruit for God.”

And the same Paul who wrote those verses also wrote, “16 But I say, walk by the Spirit, and you will not gratify the desires of the flesh. 17 For the desires of the flesh are against the Spirit, and the desires of the Spirit are against the flesh, for these are opposed to each other, to keep you from doing the things you want to do. 18 But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law. 19 Now the works of the flesh are evident: sexual immorality, impurity, sensuality, 20 idolatry, sorcery, enmity, strife, jealousy, fits of anger, rivalries, dissensions, divisions, 21 envy, drunkenness, orgies, and things like these. I warn you, as I warned you before, that those who do such things will not inherit the kingdom of God. 22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, 23 gentleness, self-control; against such things there is no law. 24 And those who belong to Christ Jesus have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires.”

Paul would not have written that warning unless it was needed. And look at what he was warning against! “Idolatry, sorcery...drunkenness, orgies”!

But the ongoing need for sanctification doesn’t cancel out the past act of justification.


“16.5 We cannot, even by our best works, merit pardon of sin or eternal life from the hand of God, for those works are out of all proportion to the glory to come. [1] Moreover, because of the infinite distance that is between us and God, our works can neither benefit God nor satisfy the debt of our former sins. When we have done all we can, we have only done our duty, and are still unprofitable servants. [2] Besides, if our works are good they originate from the Spirit, [3] and whatever we do is defiled and mixed with so much weakness and imperfection that it cannot endure the severity of God’s judgment. [4]

1. Romans 8:18
2. Job 22:3 Job 35:7 Luke 17:10 Romans 4:3 Romans 11:3
3. Galatians 5:22-23
4. 1 Kings 8:46 2 Chronicles 6:36 Psalms 130:3 Psalms 143:2 Proverbs 20:9 Ecclesiastes 7:20 Romans 3:9,23 Romans 7:14-15 Galatians 5:17 1 John 1:6-10

16.6 Yet, although believers are accepted as individual people through Christ, their good works also are accepted in Christ. [1] It is not as though in this life they were entirely blameless and beyond censure in God’s sight, [2] but that he looks upon them in his Son, and is pleased to accept and reward what is sincere, even though it is accompanied by many weaknesses and imperfections. [3]

1. Exodus 28:38 Ephesians 1:6-7 1 Peter 2:5
2. 1 Kings 8:46 2 Chronicles 6:36 Psalms 130:3 Psalms 143:2 Proverbs 20:9 Ecclesiastes 7:20 Romans 3:9,23 Romans 7:14-15 Galatians 5:17 1 John 1:6-10
3. Hebrews 6:10 Matthew 25:21,23


Romans 8

31What then shall we say to these things? If God is for us, who can be against us? 32 He who did not spare his own Son but gave him up for us all, how will he not also with him graciously give us all things? 33Who shall bring any charge against God’s elect? It is God who justifies. 34 Who is to condemn? Christ Jesus is the one who died—more than that, who was raised— who is at the right hand of God, who indeed is interceding for us. 35Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? Shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or danger, or sword? 36 As it is written,

“For your sake we are being killed all the day long;
we are regarded as sheep to be slaughtered.”

37 No, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him who loved us. 38 For I am sure that neither death nor life, nor angels nor rulers, nor things present nor things to come, nor powers, 39 nor height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God in Christ Jesus our Lord.


1,486 posted on 07/02/2009 7:13:27 AM PDT by Mr Rogers (I loathe the ground he slithers on!)
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To: Mr Rogers
Thank you for sharing your insights, dear brother in Christ, and thank you for those beautiful Scriptures!
1,502 posted on 07/02/2009 8:44:27 AM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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