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To: bdeaner
[Third, I'm sorry to tell you, but your premillenial eschatology is a false doctrine that is based on a misreading of Scripture.]

Wrong. The scriptures teach it and the same apostle Paul that was the one who teaches the Jew and Gentile Christian church that there is indeed a rapture and then the Wicked One will be revealed teaches many other doctrines in the book of Romans that confirm Israel will be the lead nation when the LORD Jesus returns to the earth for His 1000 year rule of all nations, His throne being in Israel.
You know that the Roman church does indeed worship Mary and angels and prays to those who are not God, as Jesus is. The day is near when the Roman church, the apostate church , will declare what they practice already, the worship of Mary as co redeemer with Jesus Christ who is the only mediator between God and man.
If you truly believed God you would know these things but you love the denomination more than the Word of God and that is sin.
No lie is of the truth.

13 posted on 06/21/2009 5:11:09 AM PDT by kindred (The third party conservative is the home of conservatism. Jesus is Lord.)
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To: kindred
You know that the Roman church does indeed worship Mary and angels and prays to those who are not God, as Jesus is.

No, actually, I don't. Because when I go to Adoration - the act of being in Church and adoring and worshiping Christ- the angels kneel right with me, as do the Communion of Saints. All of Earth and Heaven adores. That's what we believe. That we have a couple of big statues of angels kneeling in the Blessed Sacrament chapel helps illustrate this.

As for the Blessed Mother, we venerate (or honor) and take our problems to her and pray (meaning: ask) for her her prayers for whatever we need. But there is no worshiping. Mary is not a deity.

The day is near when the Roman church, the apostate church , will declare what they practice already, the worship of Mary as co redeemer with Jesus Christ who is the only mediator between God and man.

Co-redemtrix, not co-redeemer. Mary was not an EQUAL participant in our redemption, but WITH CHRIST as it happened. I found this explanation on the Catholic Answers forum:

"Mary as co-redemptrix is a doctrine not a dogma. When explaining this term to your friend, make sure he understands that the Church does not teach (never has and never will) that Mary as Co-redemptrix is equal to Christ. "Co" is from the Latin "cum" meaning "with". "Trix" is a feminine suffix, so the word means "the woman with the redeemer"---the woman with the one doing the act of redemption.

"Just as Eve participated in the fall by her consent and pride, Mary cooperates with the redemption of man by her consent and humility as handmaid of the Lord. She gave Jesus his body, and his body is what saved us."

And, as the Church is from God, part of Him, it cannot be apostate. People in it can be, are and always have been, but the Church herself, no.

14 posted on 06/21/2009 7:36:13 AM PDT by Desdemona (Tolerance of grave evil is NOT a Christian virtue. http://www.thekingsmen.us/)
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To: kindred
Wow, you didn't even try to refute my argument based on Scripture with Scripture. All you've got is authorative statements with nothing to back it up. I guess you don't have a reasonable rebuttal.

Anybody can say "wrong," but I don't think you can refute the scriptural evidence I just presented. Good luck, and God bless.
15 posted on 06/21/2009 11:45:35 AM PDT by bdeaner (The bread which we break, is it not a participation in the body of Christ? (1 Cor. 10:16))
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To: kindred

I read a couple of prayers to Mary on another thread and believe me, they were pretty worshipful.


17 posted on 06/21/2009 5:15:16 PM PDT by Marysecretary (GOD IS STILL IN CONTROL!)
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To: kindred

I read a couple of prayers to Mary on another thread and believe me, they were pretty worshipful.


18 posted on 06/21/2009 5:15:24 PM PDT by Marysecretary (GOD IS STILL IN CONTROL!)
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To: kindred

I read a couple of prayers to Mary on another thread and believe me, they were pretty worshipful.


19 posted on 06/21/2009 5:15:36 PM PDT by Marysecretary (GOD IS STILL IN CONTROL!)
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