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To: WKB
This entire thread could be summer up in a few little verses:

John 14 6 Jesus answered, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me (and my mother)
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That's a very poor summary of the article. Doesn't even come close. Be honest -- you didn't read it.

The problem with your statements is that you assume the Catholic Church teaches us to worship Mary. But that is just not true. It is a common misunderstanding, but a big mistake.

The misunderstanding is based on the meaning of "veneration." You are talking about ADORATION, or worship. Yes, this is reserved for the Lord, as the Catholic Church agrees.

But veneration is a synonym for "honor." The 4th commandment says we are to honor our mother and father. In other words, we should venerate them, and by doing so, we not only take nothing away from the Lord, we please Him by obeying His commandments.

Mary is the Mother of Jesus Christ. We worship the Lord, and we venerate or honor His Mother, because, in imitation of Chirst, we obey the 4th commandment.

The Lord is pleased when we venerate Mary. It shows that we understand and obey His Commandments.

Also, note that the early church fathers, and even the Reformers, encouraged the veneration of Mary and believed in her virgin birth. It is thoroughly Biblical, as Scott Hahn's analysis demonstrates -- although his analysis here is just the tip of the iceberg.
16 posted on 06/18/2009 11:33:53 PM PDT by bdeaner (The bread which we break, is it not a participation in the body of Christ? (1 Cor. 10:16))
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To: bdeaner

If Mary is so important why is she not mentioned in Scripture after Acts Chapter 1.14 ?. Except for one time in Romans which may or may not be the mother of Jesus, the name Mary is not even found in the NT after Acts.
In fact other than passages about the Birth of Jesus
Mary is mentioned just a few times.
We are told to honor our father and mother. Jesus said
he was to bring Honor to His Father but he never tells
us to honor His mother.
I am not interested in what the writings and traditions of men have to say on this subject only what The Bible has to say.


18 posted on 06/19/2009 2:08:18 AM PDT by WKB (From "Handout" to "Bailout")
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To: bdeaner
Mary is the Mother of Jesus Christ. We worship the Lord, and we venerate or honor His Mother, because, in imitation of Chirst, we obey the 4th commandment.

Problem is; what you say you do and what you do are two different things...

When you ask someone to perform miracles for you; to provide you with grace, it is worship...And that's what we see and hear from you guys...

It's not a case of misunderstanding your religion...We see what you do and we know what worship is...

79 posted on 06/20/2009 2:04:31 AM PDT by Iscool (I don't understand all that I know...)
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