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To: Pyro7480

I’m just pointing out the absurdity of praying to someone who is both dead, and who is NOT God!

Mary was indeed blessed, but she’s just like other noble women in the Bible...a sinner, in need of salvation, and not the one to whom we must pray, as her Son pointed out!

And if she WASN’T a sinner, if God made her sinless to carry Jesus, then did HER mother also need to be born sinless, since she carried the “sinless” Mary?? And if Elizabeth was born sinless to carry her sinless daughter, should we also pray to HER, too?? It seems from reading Jesus’ prayer that He wants us to pray to GOD, His Father, not to some human who’s up in Heaven.

It’s just all so bizarre...so much of Catholicism is Godly, but they have these weird sticking points, like worshiping bread instead of God, believing that Mary should be prayed for, believing that Mary never sinned and believing that Mary never died, but was instead carried straight to Heaven like Elijah.

Ed


77 posted on 06/17/2009 2:49:39 PM PDT by Sir_Ed
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To: Sir_Ed
It’s just all so bizarre...so much of Catholicism is Godly, but they have these weird sticking points, like worshiping bread instead of God

It's not an either/or thing. It's funny how "Reformist" Christians take so much of the Bible literally, but don't treat His words on the Eucharist that way. He said "THIS is My Body," not "This is a symbol of My Body."

Mary should be prayed for

Not prayed for- ask her to pray for us.

believing that Mary never sinned and believing that Mary never died

Actually, the doctrine of the Assumption is ambivalent on whether she physically died or not. It just states that at the end of her earthly life, her body and soul were assumed (meaning not of her own power) into Heaven.

79 posted on 06/17/2009 2:55:35 PM PDT by Pyro7480 ("If you know how not to pray, take Joseph as your master, and you will not go astray." - St. Teresa)
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To: Sir_Ed
worshiping bread instead of God

No, we don't do that.

83 posted on 06/17/2009 2:58:51 PM PDT by annalex (http://www.catecheticsonline.com/CatenaAurea.php)
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To: Sir_Ed

Ed, Catholics don’t worship bread instead of God; we worship God who is in the form of bread. Jesus told us to do that at the Last Supper and when He told His disciples to “gnaw” on His flesh for eternal life.

Catholics pray to Mary for help. We honor her for her role in God’s plan.

The information you have about Catholics is flawed. Whoever taught it to you was wrong. I invite you to do some objective research on your own. If you do, you will find much of what you thought about Catholics is false.


100 posted on 06/17/2009 3:43:58 PM PDT by Melian ("Now, Y'all without sin can cast the first stone." ~H.I. McDunnough)
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To: Sir_Ed
...like worshiping bread instead of God...

Catholics don't do that.

You don't object to Catholicism, you object to a grotesque distortion of Catholicism.

121 posted on 06/17/2009 5:12:50 PM PDT by Petronski (In Germany they came first for the Communists, And I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist...)
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