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To: annalex

“Sure it is transferable:”

There is nothing in scripture to suggest any power is transferable, sorry !

“the improper conduct at the Mass St. Paul condemns in 1 Cor. 11 did not negate the fact that it was a valid Mass, when Christ was truly present in the Eucharist (1 Cor. 11:26), yet it was evidently not celebrated by an apostle.”

No mention of any mass in those passages, It’s amazing what the RCC reads into simple verses. Ceremonies and rituals just pop out of nowhere. It’s evident from the text that the Lord’s supper mentioned in the text was some sort of a dinner, as it clearly states, “21- for as you eat , each of you goes ahead with out waiting for anybody else. One remains hungry, another gets drunk. 22 - Don’t you have homes to eat and drink in? or do you despise the Church of God and humiliate those who have nothing?” What this doesn’t say, is that they were passing out wafers and having some ceremony to sacrifice Jesus again.

This is a church gathering in the name of the Lord, to REMEMBER His sacrifice, not to eat like pigs and get drunk. Also, this gathering didn’t need an apostle present as “do this in remembrance of me” applies to all believers, who REMEMBER the sacrifice and thank the Lord for it.

“The two epistles to Timothy and one to Titus are instructions in how to consecrate clergy. Note that neither Timothy or Titus are themselves apostles.”

No, those are instructions for choosing elders, and leaders, who follow sound doctrine and lead Godly lives as examples to each congregation. No mention of any magic ceremony where anybody gets some elevated status, no mention of alter Christos. Just the Biblical model for each congregations leadership body.

“I have little interest in Protestant theological fantasies regarding “middlemen” or how proclaiming the gospel is “in effect” forgiving sins.”

If you think hearing the Gospel and accepting Christ and having your sins forgiven is a fantasy, then I know I made the right choice to leave the RCC.

” If you have further questions about the Catholic teaching or the meaning of the Holy Scripture, please ask them, and I am always happy to answer.”

I think I’ll stick with the Bible, thanks !


319 posted on 07/06/2009 5:22:09 PM PDT by Veeram ("Any fool (Liberal) can criticize, condemn and complain and most fools do." ---Benjamin Franklin)
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To: Veeram
There is nothing in scripture to suggest any power is transferable

"I send you like my father sent me"; "whose sins you forgive I will forgive in heaven", "who hears you hears me" are all transfer of power, very clearly stated.

No mention of any mass in those passages [...] This is a church gathering in the name of the Lord, to REMEMBER His sacrifice

What you call it is not important; the fact that the sacrifice of Christ is shown (1 Cor. 11:26) and the body of Christ is truly present (v 29) at the gathering, -- that is important. However, no apoastle presided over that gathering. It was, therefore, meraly a priest, contrary to your claim.

those are instructions for choosing elders, and leaders

The Greek words are "episcopos" (bishop) and "presbyteros" (priest), but again, however you want to call those people, these in Titus and Timothy are instructions on how to perpetuate the Church beyond the natural life of the Apostles, refuting your another claim.

I’ll stick with the Bible

But you don't know the Bible. You spent your time on this thread telling me how the plain language of the Bible does not mean what it says. You are not sticking with the Bible, you are running away from it.

321 posted on 07/06/2009 5:39:34 PM PDT by annalex (http://www.catecheticsonline.com/CatenaAurea.php)
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