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To: Iscool
"So Jesus founded a church, His Body, that allowed people to become a member of His Body even if they didn’t believe in Him...As long as they got sprinkled with water that you guys call baptism..."

Mk:16:16: "He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved: but he that believeth not shall he condemned."

8 posted on 05/27/2009 9:25:16 AM PDT by GonzoII ("That they may be one...Father")
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To: GonzoII
Mk:16:16: "He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved: but he that believeth not shall he condemned."

You keep replaying this verse to prove you only need baptism (not belief in Jesus) to become a Christian...Care to expound on that a little bit???

13 posted on 05/27/2009 9:36:14 AM PDT by Iscool (I don't understand all that I know...)
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To: GonzoII
Mar 16:16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.

You refuse to comment further on the verse but I think I get what you are trying to imply...

Apparently you figure the belief spoken of in the verse is belief in the baptism, NOT the Gospel...

Mar 16:15 And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.
Mar 16:16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.

That must be how you are trying to pull off this scam...

20 posted on 05/27/2009 9:49:42 AM PDT by Iscool (I don't understand all that I know...)
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To: GonzoII; Iscool; Blogger; wmfights; Quix

“Mk:16:16: “He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved: but he that believeth not shall he condemned.”

Your church interprets “believeth” in a universal way. It does not mean believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, exclusively. Based on the Lumen Gentium, sincere belief on a coke bottle fallen from the sky is enough to get you to wherever or the sincere belief of the Heaven’s Gate cult waiting for the appearance of Comet Hale-Bopp in 1997 got them eternal life somewhere.

It just depends on whoever you sincerely believe God is, could be obama!

In the words of Lumen Gentium, adopted at Vatican II:

“But the plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator. In the first place amongst these there are the Mohamedans, who, professing to hold the faith of Abraham, along with us adore the one and merciful God, who on the last day will judge mankind.”

“The non-Christian may not be blamed for his ignorance of Christ and his Church; salvation is open to him also, if he seeks God sincerely and if he follows the commands of his conscience, for through this means the Holy Ghost acts upon all men; this divine action is not confined within the limited boundaries of the visible Church.”


25 posted on 05/27/2009 10:02:38 AM PDT by blue-duncan
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