Posted on 05/27/2009 8:53:00 AM PDT by GonzoII
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Asleep and dead are the same now?
Amazing.
I doubt there ARE any time machines for sale, but if you want to make “St. Peter was not a Pope” into a true statement, you’re going to need a time machine to go back and change that.
No, you aren’t. Christians are folks who have received the Lord Jesus Christ into their lives. You aren’t automatically a Christian because you belong to a church. You are a Christian because you made the choice to BE one through Jesus. Leave it to you to misinterpret anything that’s said to you.
Yawn.
Please do not misinterpret what I said about not being a Christian because you go the Catholic Church. You know that’s not what it was meant to portray. NO one is a Christian just because they ATTEND a church. got it?
Dead physically, asleep spiritually until the Judgement.
Your misinterpretations of Scripture are of no use to me.
PLEASE then, go away.
Perhaps not.
lol. One of the greatest pleasures in being a Bible-believing Christian who trusts in God to order all things according to His will is that we know there are wheat and there are tares, and that a leopard does not change his spots.
Those who stand condemned by their idolatry can spout whatever blasphemies they choose; it only serves to further mark them as lost. Preserve the antithesis. It makes it easier to tell the teams apart.
"Rome has not essentially changed. Rome declared that what it said at the time of the Reformation was infallible and could not change. Declared it to be irreformible truth. Rome has not changed and precious truths of God's word are still worth upholding even at the cost of unity even at the cost of being considered "troublemakers" in the religious world. We need to guard the antithesis against the destructive error of Rome." -- Dr. Greg L. Bahnsen "The Reformation is dying daily in our day when the Ecumenical Movement, and other forces like unto it, wish to soften the antithesis with Rome, today. I want to assure you that it's not my pugnacious debating nature that makes me say we must exalt that antithesis and guard it. It's my love for the Lord Jesus Christ and the purity of His word.
Maybe he was the exception because of being in the right place at the right time. Who really knows? None of us have been there. You could be right, or I could be right.
OR, it could be as some folks believe, Assurdely, I say to you today, (comma after today) you will....
I'm not sure what you mean by "asleep" but here are some verses about the departed faithful and their activities:
They keep an eye on us:
Heb:12:1: "And therefore we also having so great a cloud of witnesses over our head, laying aside every weight and sin which surrounds us, let us run by patience to the fight proposed to us"
They know about us:
Lk:15:7 "I say to you that even so there shall be joy in heaven upon one sinner that doth penance, more than upon ninety-nine just who need not penance."
They speak to the Lord:
Rv:6:9: "And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God and for the testimony which they held. 10 And they cried with a loud voice, saying: How long, O Lord (Holy and True), dost thou not judge and revenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth?
Mk:9:4: "And there appeared to them Elias with Moses: and they were talking with Jesus."
They adore God:
Rv:4:10:"The four and twenty ancients fell down before him that sitteth on the throne and adored him that liveth for ever and ever"
They present our prayers to God:
Rv:5:8: "And when he had opened the book, the four living creatures and the four and twenty ancients fell down before the Lamb, having every one of them harps and golden vials full of odours, which are the prayers of saints."
You do realize that the prayers of the saints are OUR prayers, not Catholic saints. M
Well, yes, the prayers of the members of Christ's body the Church, so yes.
"not Catholic saints."
I think your're saying that the deceased members of the Church don't intercede (pray) for us. If that's the case I would say that they do, after all they are still members of Christ's body the Church and we are told to pray for one another.
Looking at the following verse I don't think anyone would disagree with the statement that the Saints in heaven are surely the ones who remained in Christ "the vine" as they have not been "thrown into the fire", the conclusion is that they are still considered members of Christ's body the Church:
JN 15:5 "I am the vine; you are the branches. If a man remains in me and I in him, he will bear much fruit; apart from me you can do nothing. 6 If anyone does not remain in me, he is like a branch that is thrown away and withers; such branches are picked up, thrown into the fire and burned. 7 If you remain in me and my words remain in you, ask whatever you wish, and it will be given you. 8 This is to my Father's glory, that you bear much fruit, showing yourselves to be my disciples."
I don’t see that it pertains to your Saints anymore than it pertains to any Christian who has fought the fight, run the race and completed his or her journey in Christ. ANY OF US are capable of that.
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