Radio Replies Volume One: Baptists

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[GonzoII]

Baptists

309. The Baptist Church is the true Church. It really acts as did the first Christians, while the Catholic Church is not mentioned in Scripture as the true Church.

The Baptist Church is certainly not mentioned in Scripture. The Catholic Church is most clearly described there. Meantime, do Baptists act as did the first Christians? Do they go to Confession? Have they the sacrifice of the Mass? Baptists, like other Protestants, insist upon one thing not commanded by Christ, and neglect most of the things insisted upon by Him. Also, Christ said that His Church would be in the world all days from His time until the end of the world. But where was the Baptist Church before the 15th century? Christ certainly was not the Founder of the Baptist Church. It is subject to all the defects common to other forms of Protestantism.

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[narses]

“BTW, I’m still waiting to hear how you know that Mary and the dead saints hear your prayers”

Easy, they are alive in Christ. Saints in Heaven are ALIVE. Got it?

[Veeram]

You can still argue Mathew 16, but Peter is NOT the Rock that Jesus built his church.

So the pope gets to turn on the power when it’s needed, very convenient.

I gave you sound reasoning for Sola Scripture, you obviously believe something written by men and not inspired by God is to be trusted.

Good luck with that.

[Iscool]

That the "mere" pouring of water is not just an outward sign but it has actual effects.

It took you long enough to say that...But of course it's not true...Getting wet while in a religious ritual does NOT magically turn one into a believer...

Even when your church talks out the other side of it's mouth, it disagrees with you...

1271 Baptism constitutes the foundation of communion among all Christians, including those who are not yet in full communion with the Catholic Church: "For men who believe in Christ and have been properly baptized are put in some, though imperfect, communion with the Catholic Church.

Justified by faith in Baptism, [they] are incorporated into Christ;

Who you trying to kid...Justified by 'faith' in baptism??? Anti-biblical, anti-Christian...No such thing came from the mouth of God...

they therefore have a right to be called Christians, and with good reason are accepted as brothers by the children of the Catholic Church."80 "Baptism therefore constitutes the sacramental bond of unity existing among all who through it are reborn."81

This may make you a Catholic...But don't confuse becoming a Catholic by these heretical mandates as becoming Christian as well...

[Petronski]

You can still argue Mathew 16, but Peter is NOT the Rock that Jesus built his church.

I can take His word for it, or I can believe you.

There's no contest.

I gave you sound reasoning for Sola Scripture...

That's a bit of a problem for you though. Sola Scriptura requires Scriptural support, yet sola Scriptura is not supported by Scripture.

You could never stand to believe such a thing if cognitive dissonance were painful.

[Petronski]

But don't confuse becoming a Catholic by these heretical mandates as becoming Christian as well...

So many aspects of Christianity do not comport with your own personal interpretation of Scripture, I can't keep track of them all.

[Veeram]

You have to believe Jesus meant Peter is the Rock, otherwise the house of cards falls.

I gave you the Apostle Paul’s warning to Timothy about false teachers and what did he say ? Follow the scriptures, so you should too !

[Petronski]

You have to believe Jesus meant Peter is the Rock, otherwise I make Jesus a liar.

[narses]

“... but Peter is NOT the Rock that Jesus built his church.”

So you say. On the other hand, for 2,000 years many, many learned scholars have said that Peter is indeed the Rock. So my choice is simple, listen to a dissenting voice on the ‘net or to the Holy Spirit whose Truth has been revealed to me through His Church. Wow, not that tough a call.

[cva66snipe]

I think this senseless jealousy between the churches was clearly settled by The Lord in Mark ch9 v38

38John said to Jesus, “Teacher, we saw a man using your name to cast out demons, but we told him to stop because he isn’t one of our group.” 39“Don’t stop him!” Jesus said. “No one who performs miracles in my name will soon be able to speak evil of me. 40Anyone who is not against us is for us. 41If anyone gives you even a cup of water because you belong to the Messiah, I assure you, that person will be rewarded.

Sad as it is Protestant waste precious energy as do Catholics trying to Convert each other and call someone away from their church. It's petty and it's not what Christ has called us to do. All Christian churches need to stop it.

Posted by one raised a Baptist with Roman Catholic relatives including a Priest Vicar General.

[wmfights]

Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father who is in heaven.

I love that verse and the answer to the question what is the will of the Father.

John 6:29 ..."The work of God is this: to believe in the one he has sent."

Sums it all up for me.

[blue-duncan]

“In his Passover Christ opened to all men the fountain of Baptism. He had already spoken of his Passion, which he was about to suffer in Jerusalem, as a “Baptism” with which he had to be baptized.22 The blood and water that flowed from the pierced side of the crucified Jesus are types of Baptism and the Eucharist, the sacraments of new life.23 From then on, it is possible “to be born of water and the Spirit”24 in order to enter the Kingdom of God.”

That is pure unadulterated superstition without any scriptural basis. The baptism He spoke of was His death, a once and for all sacrifice for sin, not for the remission of His sin. The piercing of His side was to fulfill the prophecies of Ps. 22:15-18 and Zech 12:10, more particularly the prophesy of Ps. 34:20 where in Jesus’ time the Romans broke the bones of the crucified to insure death, but in Jesus’ case they pierced His side in place of breaking the bones.

[Marysecretary]

LOL. LIke I’m really interested.

[Marysecretary]

Yes, the universal catholic body of Christ. Welcome aboard.

[Marysecretary]

Episcopalians pour water over the child’s head. (Not that I can remember, LOL.) Thank you for the information and pictures. Blessings. Mary

[Petronski]

Yes, the Universal Catholic Body of Christ.

Welcome aboard!

[SoConPubbie]

You have some definitional problems. You seem to think all Christians go to Heaven.

No sir, no such problem here.

By definition, to be a Christian means to be Christ-Like.

You cannot truly be a Christian or name the name of Christ and be sinning, because you are no long "Christ-Like".

Therefore, if you are up-to-date with God, living in all the light he has given you, living a "Christ-Like" life, he has promised to take you to heaven.

By substitution, all Christians go to heaven.

Those who are almost, or slightly, or mostly Christian will not make Heaven as he is a Holy God and will not countenance sin in Heaven.

[Petronski]

By definition, to be a Christian means to be Christ-Like.

Nope.

By definition, to be a Christian means to TRY TO be Christ-Like.

You cannot truly be a Christian or name the name of Christ and be sinning, because you are no long "Christ-Like".

Then there are NO Christians alive, for we are all sinners.

[SoConPubbie]

Catholics are Christians by definition. Your store-front cult's opinion on the matter is irrelevant.

Petronski, I really didn't have time earlier to really provide the necessary proof to back my claim that you are incorrect in assuming this. So here it is:

John Chapter 3:

14  And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up:

15  That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life.

16  For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

17  For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.

18  He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.



Acts 16:23-31

23  And when they had laid many stripes upon them, they cast them into prison, charging the jailor to keep them safely:

24  Who, having received such a charge, thrust them into the inner prison, and made their feet fast in the stocks.

25  And at midnight Paul and Silas prayed, and sang praises unto God: and the prisoners heard them.

26  And suddenly there was a great earthquake, so that the foundations of the prison were shaken: and immediately all the doors were opened, and every one's bands were loosed.

27  And the keeper of the prison awaking out of his sleep, and seeing the prison doors open, he drew out his sword, and would have killed himself, supposing that the prisoners had been fled.

28  But Paul cried with a loud voice, saying, Do thyself no harm: for we are all here.

29  Then he called for a light, and sprang in, and came trembling, and fell down before Paul and Silas,

30  And brought them out, and said, Sirs, what must I do to be saved?

31  And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house.



1 John 5:1-5

1  Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: and every one that loveth him that begat loveth him also that is begotten of him.

2  By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments.

3  For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.

4  For whatsoever is born of God overcometh the world: and this is the victory that overcometh the world, even our faith.

5  Who is he that overcometh the world, but he that believeth that Jesus is the Son of God?



Acts 13:37-41

37  But he, whom God raised again, saw no corruption.

38  Be it known unto you therefore, men and brethren, that through this man is preached unto you the forgiveness of sins:

39  And by him all that believe are justified from all things, from which ye could not be justified by the law of Moses.

40  Beware therefore, lest that come upon you, which is spoken of in the prophets;

41  Behold, ye despisers, and wonder, and perish: for I work a work in your days, a work which ye shall in no wise believe, though a man declare it unto you.



Membership in a Church setup and administered by earthly fallible men, while good, will give you entry into heaven.

As the scriptures point out, salvation is gained by Repentence and faith or believing the Gospel.

Without salvation, as the scriptures I have posted prove, there is no entry into heaven.

[Petronski]

Membership in a Church setup and administered by earthly fallible men, while good, will give [not] you entry into heaven.

Ah yes, but Faith in Christ in the Church lead by Christ will make you a Christian.

As the scriptures point out, salvation is gained by Repentence and faith or believing the Gospel.

You continue to conflate Christianity with salvation. Not all Christians will be saved.

[SoConPubbie]

He was not referring to a man as Satan. He was referring to Satan, who in turn was using Peter at that moment.

Veeram, Petronski is right about this you know?