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To: Mad Dawg; markomalley
Will respond, hopefully shortly.

Here's the next installment:

Quix commentary continued.

A World Fund

51. A further step must be taken. When We were at Bombay for the Eucharistic Congress, We asked world leaders to set aside part of their military expenditures for a world fund to relieve the needs of impoverished peoples. (55) What is true for the immediate war against poverty is also true for the work of national development. Only a concerted effort on the part of all nations, embodied in and carried out by this world fund, will stop these senseless rivalries and promote fruitful, friendly dialogue between nations.

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Again, an admirable goal. I don’t recall the nations rushing to comply.

And, actually, the globalists don’t really care about the ‘useless, unwashed, impoverished eaters.’ The globalists are gearing up militarily etc. to DESTROY masses of such peoples and even whole people groups. Their boss satan is all about death and destruction and cruelty.

However, in order to worm their way into every conceivable international angle and advantage toward increasing data collection, control and influence, they are certainly gifted at APPEARING as all magnanimous and humanitarian. I can imagine some globalist spokespersons graciously applauding the Pope’s points above.

52. It is certainly all right to maintain bilateral and multilateral agreements. Through such agreements, ties of dependence and feelings of jealousy—holdovers from the era of colonialism —give way to friendly relationships of true solidarity that are based on juridical and political equality. But such agreements would be free of all suspicion if they were integrated into an overall policy of worldwide collaboration. The member nations, who benefit from these agreements, would have less reason for fear or mistrust. They would not have to worry that financial or technical assistance was being used as a cover for some new form of colonialism that would threaten their civil liberty, exert economic pressure on them, or create a new power group with controlling influence.

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“But such agreements would be free of all suspicion if they were integrated into an overall policy of worldwide collaboration.”

HERE WE GO AGAIN: “worldwide collaboration.” Sounds like a formal set-up. Sounds like global government. Sounds like OThuga and Shrillery.

53. Is it not plain to everyone that such a fund would reduce the need for those other expenditures that are motivated by fear and stubborn pride? Countless millions are starving, countless families are destitute, countless men are steeped in ignorance; countless people need schools, hospitals, and homes worthy of the name. In such circumstances, we cannot tolerate public and private expenditures of a wasteful nature; we cannot but condemn lavish displays of wealth by nations or individuals; we cannot approve a debilitating arms race. It is Our solemn duty to speak out against them. If only world leaders would listen to Us, before it is too late!

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Plenty truth to the problems described.

However, the oligarchy has long had the power to remove, prevent such problems—and has CHOSEN not to. The prescription described, however, fits the oligarchy’s !!!!CONTROL!!!! plans precisely. It just conveniently leaves out the massive forced DEPOPULATION planned, scheduled.

Dialogue Between Nations

54. All nations must initiate the dialogue which We called for in Our first encyclical, Ecclesiam Suam. (56) A dialogue between those who contribute aid and those who receive it will permit a well-balanced assessment of the support to be provided, taking into consideration not only the generosity and the available wealth of the donor nations, but also the real needs of the receiving countries and the use to which the financial assistance can be put. Developing countries will thus no longer risk being overwhelmed by debts whose repayment swallows up the greater part of their gains. Rates of interest and time for repayment of the loan could be so arranged as not to be too great a burden on either party, taking into account free gifts, interest-free or low-interest loans, and the time needed for liquidating the debts.

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Sounds quite reasonable. It’s what happens with the globalist implementation of such schemes that matters.

The donors could certainly ask for assurances as to how the money will be used. It should be used for some mutually acceptable purpose and with reasonable hope of success, for there is no question of backing idlers and parasites. On the other hand, the recipients would certainly have the right to demand that no one interfere in the internal affairs of their government or disrupt their social order. As sovereign nations, they are entitled to manage their own affairs, to fashion their own policies, and to choose their own form of government. In other words, what is needed is mutual cooperation among nations, freely undertaken, where each enjoys equal dignity and can help to shape a world community truly worthy of man.

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AHHHHH but the globalists NEVER do anything without extensive strings attached . . . it is THEIR WAY to not only meddle in the affairs of others but to CONSUME THEM TOTALLY—TO TAKE !!!!CONTROL!!!! Trying to get them to behave otherwise is futile. Seems a bit odd the Pope wouldn’t have known that even back then. The globalists had been at it AT LEAST 67 years by then.

An Urgent Task
55. This task might seem impossible in those regions where the daily struggle for subsistence absorbs the attention of the family, where people are at a loss to find work that might improve their lot during their remaining days on earth. These people must be given every possible help; they must be encouraged to take steps for their own betterment and to seek out the means that will enable them to do so. This common task undoubtedly calls for concerted, continuing and courageous effort. But let there be no doubt about it, it is an urgent task. The very life of needy nations, civil peace in the developing countries, and world peace itself are at stake.

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Certainly so. Though, again, the globalists do not care about the suffering. They have long been planning greater and more devastating suffering, exterminations.

Equity in Trade Relations
56. Efforts are being made to help the developing nations financially and technologically. Some of these efforts are considerable. Yet all these efforts will prove to be vain and useless, if their results are nullified to a large extent by the unstable trade relations between rich and poor nations. The latter will have no grounds for hope or trust if they fear that what is being given them with one hand is being taken away with the other.

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Certainly that alone is a serious concern. However, it’s not just the ‘taking away’ of goods or monies . . . it’s the wholesale !!!!CONTROL!!!! stuff that the globalists insist on and are artists at forcing on one and all.

And, frankly, the continuing cruel poverty that they have perpetuated so effectively for so many decades--when they had the means of removing it—is most hideous.

Growing Distortion
57. Highly industrialized nations export their own manufactured products, for the most part. Less developed nations, on the other hand, have nothing to sell but raw materials and agricultural crops. As a result of technical progress, the price of manufactured products is rising rapidly and they find a ready market. But the basic crops and raw materials produced by the less developed countries are subject to sudden and wide-ranging shifts in market price; they do not share in the growing market value of industrial products.

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Quite so. And market fluctuations and pricing problems somehow seem to never get resolved very charitably. Greed seems to reign supreme. Yet the globalists are supposed to be HUMANITARIAN? Barf.

This poses serious difficulties to the developing nations. They depend on exports to a large extent for a balanced economy and for further steps toward development. Thus the needy nations grow more destitute, while the rich nations become even richer.

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YUP. The globalists are artists at maintaining and worsening that status quo. Greed is one of their high priorities.

Free Trade Concept Inadequate
58. It is evident that the principle of free trade, by itself, is no longer adequate for regulating international agreements. It certainly can work when both parties are about equal economically; in such cases it stimulates progress and rewards effort. That is why industrially developed nations see an element of justice in this principle.

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Seems to me this is another nod toward support of the globalist’s plans for a very controlled world economy.

But the case is quite different when the nations involved are far from equal. Market prices that are freely agreed upon can turn out to be most unfair. It must be avowed openly that, in this case, the fundamental tenet of liberalism (as it is called), as the norm for market dealings, is open to serious question.

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Here, “liberal” is the opposite of what’s now under that label. Liberals now are thorough-going globalists quite openly. And they have absolutely no intention of FREE anything—least of all market exchanges.

Justice at Every Level
59. The teaching set forth by Our predecessor Leo XIII in Rerum Novarum is still valid today: when two parties are in very unequal positions, their mutual consent alone does not guarantee a fair contract; the rule of free consent remains subservient to the demands of the natural law. (57) In Rerum Novarum this principle was set down with regard to a just wage for the individual worker; but it should be applied with equal force to contracts made between nations: trade relations can no longer be based solely on the principle of free, unchecked competition, for it very often creates an economic dictatorship. Free trade can be called just only when it conforms to the demands of social justice.

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Ahhhhh . . . ‘unchecked competition’ is now evil even in the Pope’s eyes. Globalism’s aims to marry a bastardized form of capitalism with a bastardized form of Communism rears its head again.

71 posted on 05/25/2009 12:17:25 PM PDT by Quix (POL Ldrs quotes fm1900 2 presnt: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: Quix
“”Here, “liberal” is the opposite of what’s now under that label. Liberals now are thorough-going globalists quite openly. And they have absolutely no intention of FREE anything—least of all market exchanges. “”

Than you go on to try and take a snippet out of an encyclical and try and relate it, you have no idea what you're saying.

From Pope Leo XIII

Libertas

http://www.vatican.va/holy_father/leo_xiii/encyclicals/documents/hf_l-xiii_enc_20061888_libertas_en.html

If when men discuss the question of liberty they were careful to grasp its true and legitimate meaning, such as reason and reasoning have just explained, they would never venture to affix such a calumny on the Church as to assert that she is the foe of individual and public liberty. But many there are who follow in the footsteps of Lucifer, and adopt as their own his rebellious cry, “I will not serve”; and consequently substitute for true liberty what is sheer and most foolish license. Such, for instance, are the men belonging to that widely spread and powerful organization, who, usurping the name of liberty, style themselves liberals.

15. What naturalists or rationalists aim at in philosophy, that the supporters of liberalism, carrying out the principles laid down by naturalism, are attempting in the domain of morality and politics. The fundamental doctrine of rationalism is the supremacy of the human reason, which, refusing due submission to the divine and eternal reason, proclaims its own independence, and constitutes itself the supreme principle and source and judge of truth. Hence, these followers of liberalism deny the existence of any divine authority to which obedience is due, and proclaim that every man is the law to himself; from which arises that ethical system which they style independent morality, and which, under the guise of liberty, exonerates man from any obedience to the commands of God, and substitutes a boundless license. The end of all this it is not difficult to foresee, especially when society is in question. For, when once man is firmly persuaded that he is subject to no one, it follows that the efficient cause of the unity of civil society is not to be sought in any principle external to man, or superior to him, but simply in the free will of individuals; that the authority in the State comes from the people only; and that, just as every man's individual reason is his only rule of life, so the collective reason of the community should be the supreme guide in the management of all public affairs. Hence the doctrine of the supremacy of the greater number, and that all right and all duty reside in the majority. But, from what has been said, it is clear that all this is in contradiction to reason. To refuse any bond of union between man and civil society, on the one hand, and God the Creator and consequently the supreme Law-giver, on the other, is plainly repugnant to the nature, not only of man, but of all created things; for, of necessity, all effects must in some proper way be connected with their cause; and it belongs to the perfection of every nature to contain itself within that sphere and grade which the order of nature has assigned to it, namely, that the lower should be subject and obedient to the higher.

74 posted on 05/25/2009 1:08:02 PM PDT by stfassisi ((The greatest gift God gives us is that of overcoming self"-St Francis Assisi)))
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