Quix's Commentary On Pope Paul VI's 1967 Populorum Progressio RE: Globalism Implications

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[Quix]

Quix’s commentary on Pope Paul VI-th’s:

POPULORUM PROGRESSIO

ENCYCLICAL OF POPE PAUL VI
ON THE DEVELOPMENT OF PEOPLES

MARCH 26, 1967

FROM:

http://www.vatican.va/holy_father/paul_vi/encyclicals/documents/hf_p-vi_enc_26031967_populorum_en.html

paragraph 13:

. . . But since the Church does dwell among men, she has the duty "of scrutinizing the signs of the times and of interpreting them in the light of the Gospel." (14) Sharing the noblest aspirations of men and suffering when she sees these aspirations not satisfied, she wishes to help them attain their full realization. So she offers man her distinctive contribution: a global perspective on man and human realities.

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Qx:
A couple of things stand out to me in this paragraph. “. . . signs of the times.” That’s a rather Pentecostal phrase! LOL. I wonder what his thinking was as he chose that phrase. Or does it mean something different in Latin than it does to Pentecostals in English?

In English, to Pentecostals it equals “END TIMES” and the Biblical signs thereof. I’d think, HOPE, that the Vatican translators would KNOW that. If they didn’t and it slipped through, then their scholarship is not very impressive.

This term: “. . . a global perspective on man and human realities” is a bit fascinating . . . Certainly the Pope would have reason to consider his turf of global reach—quite reasonably, plausibly.

However, it also certainly fits globalism’s goals, wording and purview, as well. Whether this was deliberately done or not, the globalist puppet masters had to be pleased with that wording.

A New Humanism Needed

20. If development calls for an ever-growing number of technical experts, even more necessary still is the deep thought and reflection of wise men in search of a new humanism, one which will enable our contemporaries to enjoy the higher values of love and friendship, of prayer and contemplation, (17) and thus find themselves. This is what will guarantee man's authentic development—his transition from less than human conditions to truly human ones.

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Hmmmmm “. . . a new humanism, . . .” Doesn’t sound that different than the Georgia Guidestones—the globalist’s ‘Ten Commandments.’

http://www.radioliberty.com/stones.htm

I’m not really that thrilled with the term “humanism.” Why would a Pope ‘need’ to use it. Humanism is NOT the objective of Believers in Christ. If anything, it should be “God-ism.” We are being conformed to HIS LIKENESS—if we are truly His Children.

“Humanism” is a satanic term in virtually all its modern uses. It is a seductive deception from hell. It pleases the flesh and flatters pride. It exalts man above or at least equal to God. I’m saddened to see the Pope use it.

The Use of Private Property

23. "He who has the goods of this world and sees his brother in need and closes his heart to him, how does the love of God abide in him?" (21) Everyone knows that the Fathers of the Church laid down the duty of the rich toward the poor in no uncertain terms. As St. Ambrose put it: "You are not making a gift of what is yours to the poor man, but you are giving him back what is his. You have been appropriating things that are meant to be for the common use of everyone. The earth belongs to everyone, not to the rich." (22) These words indicate that the right to private property is not absolute and unconditional.

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I’ve long pondered this issue. Biblically, in terms of Christian thought and practice, I mostly agree with the Pope. And, I believe that authentic Christians in most places in these END TIMES will end up sharing all things in common as they did 2000 years ago. And that those proudly, selfishly unwilling to do so will suddenly find themselves WITHOUT their goods and wealth AND HIGHLY LIKELY, without--outside the camp of God’s people.

HOWEVER, we can observe in the story of Peter and Ananias and Sapphira, that there was NO COMPULSION FROM the Disciples. It was VOLUNTARY.

I don’t see IN SCRIPTURE, per se, the “You are not making a gift of what is yours to the poor man, but you are giving him back what is his.”

Scripture indicates that—essentially—IN GENERAL—that Godly people are blessed of God. That can end up creating a false ‘vending machine’ mentality about God. However, the Promises of God are clear in Scripture and include being blessed materially for those who walk close to God. King David and Solomon are but two examples. Kenneth Hagin was Biblical in his teachings and practices on that score. Most of his ‘disciples’ have jumped off the cliff with it but he was not that far off, himself.

Yet, God does also seem to call some individuals to a life of material poverty and spiritual wealth. And, many believers would bankrupt their souls if God blessed them materially—idolizing things.

In fact, SCRIPTURE IS CLEAR that whether by the work of one’s hands or as manna from Heaven—ALL BLESSINGS COME FROM GOD. The rich man AND the poor man who construes it otherwise are both on thin ice, from God’s perspective.

And, I CERTAINLY BELIEVE that IF Christians had applied the—‘if you have two, give your brother one’ Biblical principle, the horrendous welfare system would never have gotten off the ground short of a globalist forced strong-armed thing. CHRISTIANS TOO have been far too materialistic in every Christian group and flavor. And the Church Universal and individual Believers have suffered great loss because of that.

Yet, it is NOT the stuff that’s evil—but the LOVE of the stuff that is damning idolatry.

No one may appropriate surplus goods solely for his own private use when others lack the bare necessities of life. In short, "as the Fathers of the Church and other eminent theologians tell us, the right of private property may never be exercised to the detriment of the common good." When "private gain and basic community needs conflict with one another," it is for the public authorities "to seek a solution to these questions, with the active involvement of individual citizens and social groups." (23)

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This begins to feel, again, like globalist tyrannical group-think, forced, coerced ‘charity’ a la the looming globalist Gestapo--forced conformity etc. As Shrillery said, WE ARE GOING TO TAKE THINGS FROM YOU, FOR THE COMMON GOOD.

SCRIPTURE is quite different—GOD LOVES A CHEERFUL GIVER—NOT out of compulsion, social pressure [perhaps we could say—nor out of law]—but freely AS UNTO GOD. 2 Cor 9:7

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The Common Good

24. If certain landed estates impede the general prosperity because they are extensive, unused or poorly used, or because they bring hardship to peoples or are detrimental to the interests of the country, the common good sometimes demands their expropriation.

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Hmmmmm . . . that phrase again “The Common Good.” “LIBERATION THEOLOGY” . . . that ended up deepening the enslavement of the serfs—quite along globalist lines and agenda. “. . . demands their expropriation.” Perhaps morally. To do it as government fiat is tyranny.

Vatican II affirms this emphatically. (24) At the same time it clearly teaches that income thus derived is not for man's capricious use, and that the exclusive pursuit of personal gain is prohibited. Consequently, it is not permissible for citizens who have garnered sizeable income from the resources and activities of their own nation to deposit a large portion of their income in foreign countries for the sake of their own private gain alone, taking no account of their country's interests; in doing this, they clearly wrong their country. (25)

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True enough. They do wrong their own country. And likely they wrong their own souls. However, freedom at some point and for quite a distance, still requires that they be accountable to God and His Body of Believers vs to government tyrannical fiat—imho. And, I think the Believers as a group in every group have let evil hearted fat cats get off with horrific stuff because we were respecters of persons in violation of scripture. This is evident in the RC delivery of The Lord’s Supper to the likes of Scuba Teddy et al.

Unbridled Liberalism

26. However, certain concepts have somehow arisen out of these new conditions and insinuated themselves into the fabric of human society. These concepts present profit as the chief spur to economic progress, free competition as the guiding norm of economics, and private ownership of the means of production as an absolute right, having no limits nor concomitant social obligations.

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While I might technically agree with him from a Biblical perspective . . . the limits must arise out of each individual’s relationship with God and NOT be a result of government fiat inserting itself between the individual and God.

Yet, the Pope seems to be setting up a kind of foundation for LIBERATION THEOLOGY GLOBALIST mandate for confiscating private property. That’s more than a little disturbing.

This unbridled liberalism paves the way for a particular type of tyranny, rightly condemned by Our predecessor Pius XI, for it results in the "international imperialism of money."(26)

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This is indeed a paradox. Liberalism as currently practiced and, actually, as practiced for many decades . . . has been mostly about CONFISCATION of private property for WASTEFUL government bureaucracy and globalist tyranny types of programs.

And, it is the globalists and their tyrannical world government that will be the ultimate most intense imperialism—with a very deified materialism morphing into satan worship. It is more than a little odd that the Pope comes off speaking such memes, such phrasing, such themes.

Such improper manipulations of economic forces can never be condemned enough; let it be said once again that economics is supposed to be in the service of man. (27)

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That’s a lofty ideal. Though I can’t think of a Scripture, per se, that espouses it. “. . . can never be condemned enough ;” sounds like Communistic tyranny, to me.

I don’t recall a single Scripture condemning riches, per se. Riches can easily keep a rich man out of Heaven. A rich man who shuts up his heart to the needs of the poor is in trouble with God. However, we are talking about heart attitudes first and foremost and deeds secondarily. The idolatry is the root issue.

However, Christians of all flavors have demonstrated far too much [any is too much] of such idolatry—shutting up their hearts against the poor . . . Being given far too much to selfishness. Ignoring God to work extra hours for a bigger TV screen, a flashier car, more expensive Nike’s etc.

Reform, Not Revolution

30. The injustice of certain situations cries out for God's attention. Lacking the bare necessities of life, whole nations are under the thumb of others; they cannot act on their own initiative; they cannot exercise personal responsibility; they cannot work toward a higher degree of cultural refinement or a greater participation in social and public life. They are sorely tempted to redress these insults to their human nature by violent means.

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QUITE SO. However, most such situations have been and are set up by the globalists over the last century plus. Siding with their priorities, motivations, goals will only worsen such things. The globalists are collecting to themselves MORE of the world’s wealth at the expense of the poor and are determined to not just leave folks poor—but to exterminate them--massively.

31. Everyone knows, however, that revolutionary uprisings—except where there is manifest, longstanding tyranny which would do great damage to fundamental personal rights and dangerous harm to the common good of the country—engender new injustices, introduce new inequities and bring new disasters. The evil situation that exists, and it surely is evil, may not be dealt with in such a way that an even worse situation results.

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Thankfully, he does see the truth of that! Praise God for that!

Programs and Planning

33. Individual initiative alone and the interplay of competition will not ensure satisfactory development. We cannot proceed to increase the wealth and power of the rich while we entrench the needy in their poverty and add to the woes of the oppressed. Organized programs are necessary for "directing, stimulating, coordinating, supplying and integrating" (35) the work of individuals and intermediary organizations.

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Sounds like Shrillery, Biden, Puhlousey, Scuba Teddy and OThuga again. Bring Heaven to earth by government fiat. Won’t happen. Would NEVER succeed. Heart change is required else all other systems and means descend into hell. And ONLY Christ engineers heart changes.

It is for the public authorities to establish and lay down the desired goals, the plans to be followed, and the methods to be used in fulfilling them; and it is also their task to stimulate the efforts of those involved in this common activity. But they must also see to it that private initiative and intermediary organizations are involved in this work. In this way they will avoid total collectivization and the dangers of a planned economy which might threaten human liberty and obstruct the exercise of man's basic human rights.

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Is this a milk-sop in behalf of “private initiative?” Sounds rather weak along-side the other assertions.

Basic Education

35. We can even say that economic growth is dependent on social progress, the goal to which it aspires; and that basic education is the first objective for any nation seeking to develop itself. Lack of education is as serious as lack of food; the illiterate is a starved spirit. When someone learns how to read and write, he is equipped to do a job and to shoulder a profession, to develop selfconfidence and realize that he can progress along with others. As We said in Our message to the UNESCO meeting at Teheran, literacy is the "first and most basic tool for personal enrichment and social integration; and it is society's most valuable tool for furthering development and economic progress." (36)

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Sounds lofty. HOWEVER, UNESCO is a globalist organization that has been tirelessly seducing the world in behalf of globalism and globalist goals for many decades.

AND, EDUCATION was designed more than 100 years ago as a primary way of destroying the family and delivering the new Gestapo to the globalist masters untainted by God, religion and parental influences. Certainly I’m for education—God fearing education. I assume the Pope was, too. Yet, why this praise, seemingly, for UNESCO. Was he that ignorant of UNESCO’S aims? I doubt that.

We also rejoice at the good work accomplished in this field by private initiative, by the public authorities, and by international organizations. These are the primary agents of development, because they enable man to act for himself.

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Thankfully, he included “private initiative.” HOWEVER, he seemed to give the lion’s share of support for ‘public authorities and INTERNATIONAL organizations.’ International organizations have been main tools of globalism for many decades. The Pope MUST have known that. If he was too ignorant to know that, then the Vatican information gathering and analyzing apparatus was still in kindergarten or chronically drunk on their rears.

IF he knew that—as he should have—and still ended up supporting INTERNATIOINAL ORGS, more or less carte blanche--then he’s complicit in globalism plain and simple.

Population Growth

37. There is no denying that the accelerated rate of population growth brings many added difficulties to the problems of development where the size of the population grows more rapidly than the quantity of available resources to such a degree that things seem to have reached an impasse. In such circumstances people are inclined to apply drastic remedies to reduce the birth rate.

There is no doubt that public authorities can intervene in this matter, within the bounds of their competence. They can instruct citizens on this subject and adopt appropriate measures, so long as these are in conformity with the dictates of the moral law and the rightful freedom of married couples is preserved completely intact. When the inalienable right of marriage and of procreation is taken away, so is human dignity.

Finally, it is for parents to take a thorough look at the matter and decide upon the number of their children. This is an obligation they take upon themselves, before their children already born, and before the community to which they belong—following the dictates of their own consciences informed by God's law authentically interpreted, and bolstered by their trust in Him. (39)

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This whole section is MOST CURIOUS. He seems—SEEMS to tread a thin line here. He doesn’t actually violate RC dogma—but he sure seems to come close. He sure seems to walk as close as possible to globalist constructions on population and to globalist goals, aims and methods. Disturbing.

A Full-Bodied Humanism

42. The ultimate goal is a fullbodied humanism. (44) And does this not mean the fulfillment of the whole man and of every man? A narrow humanism, closed in on itself and not open to the values of the spirit and to God who is their source, could achieve apparent success, for man can set about organizing terrestrial realities without God. But "closed off from God, they will end up being directed against man. A humanism closed off from other realities becomes inhuman." (45)

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I was glad to see this paragraph. However, along-side all the others, it comes across as a bit of a weak milk-sop.

True humanism points the way toward God and acknowledges the task to which we are called, the task which offers us the real meaning of human life. Man is not the ultimate measure of man. Man becomes truly man only by passing beyond himself. In the words of Pascal: "Man infinitely surpasses man." (46)

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This, comes across to me as an upside-down way of putting it. GOD in Christ-redeemed RELATIONSHIP WITH MAN results in individuals becoming TRULY HUMAN as God designed them to be. Humanism—even “True Humanism” doesn’t point to God, imho. Humanism as a term, as a concept is still tainted—to me--with its origins in hell.

Three Major Duties

44. This duty concerns first and foremost the wealthier nations. Their obligations stem from the human and supernatural brotherhood of man, and present a three-fold obligation: 1) mutual solidarity—the aid that the richer nations must give to developing nations; 2) social justice—the rectification of trade relations between strong and weak nations; 3) universal charity—the effort to build a more humane world community, where all can give and receive, and where the progress of some is not bought at the expense of others. The matter is urgent, for on it depends the future of world civilization.

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This sounds quite lofty. However, it’s almost straight globalist dogma. It’s full of globalist euphemisms—beginning with ‘the brotherhood of man.” “ . . . to build a more humane world community.”

Who could be against that? Any thinking person aware of THE MEANS and the eventual structure of the purported ‘HUMANE” WORLD community. There’s that emphasis on HUMANISM and WORLD again. Disturbing.

Aid to Developing Nations

45. "If a brother or a sister be naked and in want of daily food," says St. James, "and one of you say to them, 'Go in peace, be warm and filled,' yet you do not give them what is necessary for the body, what does it profit?" (48) Today no one can be unaware of the fact that on some continents countless men and women are ravished by hunger and countless children are undernourished. Many children die at an early age; many more of them find their physical and mental growth retarded. Thus whole populations are immersed in pitiable circumstances and lose heart.

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Quite so. And, it IS the Body of Christ’s duty and privilege to help rectify such situations, conditions etc. And we have failed far too much at that task.

HOWEVER, WE HAVE ALSO SUCCEEDED at correcting such, FAR MORE THAN globalist government efforts have.

Joya is still working on getting me the 2nd half. So I’m going to go ahead and post this much. I’ll add the 2nd half later or tomorrow, Lord willing and the Creek Indians don’t rise up.

Joya’s impression of the last half is that it’s much MORE full of globalism than this half. God have mercy.

Satan’s seductions have been very skillful and comprehensive for millennia. And, he no doubt targeted the Vatican from early on. . . . as he has and does any even possibly authentic expression of Christianity. Sigh.

[Quix]

PRAISE GOD AND YOUR FAITHFULNESS DEAR SISTER IN CHRIST.

CERTAINLY NO offense taken at all.

I just wanted to do 2 things in response.

1. I wanted to be sure I benefitted as much as God would have me benefit from your wisdom and rebuke, exhortation.

2. I wanted to respond as authentically as I could in as much humility as I could about my sense of where God has me on such a razor blade thin line about such things in my life. I don't know that I succeeded in the latter (any more than I may have succeeded in 1. above), but I tried, hard.

Your points in the post above are well taken and have largely already been my . . . at least a strong integral part of my . . . guidelines, substrate, beliefs and even practices--whether it shows, or not.

My precise path is not your precise path nor anyone else's. And we are fully responsible . . . as fully as we are responsible for anything--for our own precise following of our own precise path, before God by His Grace and Spirit.

It would be far, far, FAR simpler to say that Betty Boop's perspective on all the above is Holy Spirit's precise and comprehensive perspective for Quix--end of story; end of discussion; go thou and do likewise etc. etc. etc.

However, as true as I can be--before God--that's NOT congruent with my experience of God in my life and HIS mandates for me.

CERTAINLY THE ISSUE OF JUDGMENT is a super critical one. And, it's probably one that all of us do well to keep in the constantly prayerful, constantly active file 24/7.

And, I'm keenly aware that my thrownness in the world . . . including particularly how I experience and perceive God's constructions for me on all those realities . . . gives plenty of opportunity for lots of folks to question how much I judge others vs am carnal, critical judgment FREE.

Is it carnal critical judgment to label OThugs "OThuga?" I think not. I think it's an accurate label well earned by his values and behavior. It's more, to me, an observation. It's akin to observing the sun at 12:00 noon and saying--Oh, it's noon and the sun is at it's peak.

In a sense that's a judgment. In a sense, it's merely an observation of "objective" fact--whatever that is.

You may have noticed that I have, for what a year plus--2 years plus--I don't recall . . . I have for an extended time been extremely circumspect in my fiesty comments towards RC's as well as toward reasonable Calvinist postings.

Nevertheless, on relatively rare occasions, when it has seemed warranted, I've also slapped a given post, wording, attitude up-side the head as being outrageous.

Is that a judgment of a personhood? I don't think so. I haven't felt it that way and haven't mentally construed it that way--at least not very often, if at all.

Usually, it's not rocket science to observe when something is worded in an outrageous way.

The observation that Christ had a right as God's Son to fiercely assault pride, arrogance, hypocrisy etc. on the part of the religious rulers 2000 years ago . . . is . . . to me . . . a very convenient and . . . unfitting out.

There is no Biblical exemption clause to that effect.

We are called to follow Him as He leads.

Certainly some leadings of Holy Spirit require, plausibly, more scrutiny than others. Instructions to be charitable, kind, compassionate, generous, patient, long suffering etc. would quite plausibly require less monitoring, scrutiny, prayerful screening than a fierce public rebuke.

On the other hand . . . IF one is practicing hearing God remotely as often and well as Scriptures instruct us all to do--MY SHEEP HEAR MY !!!VOICE!!!!, then it is quite plausible . . . that a given Spirit-led Believer might well hear any variety of instructions from Holy Spirit as accurately, one as the other. I'm not saying I'm, per se, THERE, yet . . . just that such a habitual success in hearing God more or less accurately would plausibly not entail more wax in one's spiritual ears for one category than for the other.

We are EVER MORE RAPIDLY AND EVER MORE COMPLETELY

EVEN NOW

AMIDST A VIGOROUS HARD FOUGHT !!!!WAR!!!!!

And the Spiritual warfare has ALWAYS BEEN the most critical of any warfare. And it is the most foundational of all warfare.

THERE IS CERTAINLY A PLACE for Jesus meek and mild.

YET, THAT IS NOT THE WHOLE JESUS--NOT OF SCRIPTURE; NOT OF REALITY; NOT OF LIFE; CERTAINLY NOT OF OUR ERA.

Most of the Evangelicals, including the one in my mirror, are loathe to sign-on wholeheartedly to the warfare mentality and realities. I can, yet have a hard time killing chickens, rabbits, deer . . . for needed food.

Yet, I know from lots of experience . . . that in many situations, Holy Spirit rises up within me MOST FIERCELY. And I begin looking around eagerly for the jawbone of an ass with which to slay some Philistines.

That's almost a shocking experience, even to me--kind of one of those experiences wherein one feels like one is standing outside one's body observing one's self do something very strange and foreign to one's normal self.

Therefore what?

Good question. LOL.

imho, ALL of us, probably Betty Boop and Alamo-Girl, included . . . will be called upon by God in coming months and near years . . . to be much more forceful, declarative, stern, even . . . to some . . . harsh . . . against forces of evil in the world, in and/or about brothers and sisters near and dear . . . and to the Body of Christ in one proportion or another.

Do I expect any of you to get it more perfectly than I do. Of course not. God alone is perfect.

I do expect us all to prayerfully walk our walk as well as we can, by God's Grace manage to to do that.

Sweetness and light OF GOD are wonderful.

Yet, as John and Paula Sanford assert in TRANSFORMATION OF THE INNER MAN . . .

Love without Truth is useless sentimentality.

Truth without Love is brutality.

We are called to walk in and dispense both.

And more often than some of us prefer, a piercingly pointed and sharp scalpel is the most loving thing possible; the most loving thing to fit the situation; the most loving thing to offer--regardless of whether it's perceived that way, or not.

[marbren]

Quix, BettyBoob and all of us are fruit producers. We are known by our fruit. God made us all unique. (Praise God!). When Jesus warns us to watch out for pigs and dogs he is talking about people not animals.

In my current situation I know who the sons of the Devil are by their fruit. They used to be very "nice" people and "good" friends. The times of trying to reason with them is now over. All I say to them if I run in to the is maybe hello. Small talk would be very energy depleting. I will not argue with them. Does any born again person have any ideas what to say to a pharisee?

[hosepipe]

49 “I came to set fire to the world, and I wish it were already burning! 50 I have a baptism[a] to suffer through, and I feel very troubled until it is over.51 Do you think I came to give peace to the earth? No, I tell you, I came to divide it.52 From now on, a family with five people will be divided, three against two, and two against three. 53 They will be divided: father against son and son against father, mother against daughter and daughter against mother, mother-in-law against daughter-in-law and daughter-in-law against mother-in-law- (Jesus) Luke ch 12

[betty boop]

THERE IS CERTAINLY A PLACE for Jesus meek and mild.

Indeed. But there have been plenty of times lately when I've said to myself, this "Jesus meek and mild stuff is mere pablum for babies!" — that there are times when not to turn the other cheek. We must be especially wise and circumspect in judging of such cases, for our "verdict" will likely redound on ourselves some day: We must never forget that Jesus Christ also wields a sword. Which is the sword of Truth and Judgment.

I have no "one-size-fits-all" answer to our present condundrum. Stand honestly and humbly before God in such cases might be good advice. (I suppose David definitely did that when he clocked Goliath. That's why "the little guy" beat the giant.)

I do prefer peace and light to chaos and obscurity, though we are definitely getting more of the latter than the former these days. I shall continue to pray for the end of controversy among the brethren, so that charity among Christians can be a beacon of Light and Love to the world.

May God ever bless you, dear brother in Him! May He continually bless you with His Grace and Light!

To God be the glory!

[Quix]

I . . .

AGREE WITH YOU ENTIRELY, DEAR SISTER (DITTO for Angel-Gal).

. . . AS I tend to do . . . an uncommon degree.

THANKS ENORMOUSLY

You are a persistent and unqualified blessing in my life.

PRAISE GOD for every contact I’m graced to have with you.

God’s richest wisdom, guidance, knowledge, provision, understanding, safety, peace, overcoming, intimacy with Him and with those who Love Him . . . be yours and those you love.

In His Name, Amen.

[Quix]

INDEED. QUITE SO.

Sigh.

[Quix]

END TIMES PING LIST PING . . . I’m not sure that this could be classed as humor, or not . . . so you can decide.

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What to say to a Pharisee?

I don’t know a 1-size fit’s all . . .

Some reasonable options, imho . . .

not in any order of reasonableness nor priority . . . only in the order they filtered out of that curious & mysterious space between my ears.

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1. Get behind me, satan.

2. How’s your tomb white-wash going?

3. How’s the home team brood of vipers?

4. How’s the lying practice going?

5. Won any hypocrisy awards lately?

6. Oh, a new long flowing robe, I see!

7. Did you get your new trumpet for heralding public prayers, yet?

8. How many publicans, sinners and drunks were you able to avoid this week?

9. Did the widow and her two mites out-give you again this week?

10. How’s the voice lessons going for that riveting booming public prayer voice?

11. How’s Father Liar doing this week?

12. Did you find some good RELIGIOUS serfs to bear those burdens you’ve been loathe to touch, yet?

13. How many starving urchins were you able to chase out of your corn fields this week?

14. Is it true there’s a new Boomerang Credit Card for Pharisees only—from Australia? All public giving ends up automatically rescinded back into your account within 24 hours? Did you get yours yet?

15. No, I won’t pray for your only son to be raised from his death bed on the Sabbath. You said that was verbotten and I wouldn’t want to contribute to your hypocrisy.

Alternately . . .

16. Touch my wallet and there won’t be any more Pharisee piano playing in this congregation.

17. I’ve used as strong a bleach on your white robes as I can. But after I take them out of the drier, this black spot begins to appear and spread from about right over your heart. Where’s that weird stain come from?

18. How’s the sanctimonious gig going this week?

19. You seem to have that stubbornness, witchcraft, !!!!CONTROL!!!! FREAQUE thing down to an art. Did you get your PhD in it?

20. No. I’m fresh out of patience with flattery—going or coming. Move along, please. I’m awaiting THE RETURN OF THE KING.

[Quix]

OR MAYBE . . .

to a Pharisee . . . one might say . . .

A) I might tolerate listening to your personalized self-ego flattering blather but I need to go spin the lint from my drier.

B) Oh, my. Well, look at you. You know, you can have this whole look-out point to yourself for practicing your echo. My bus-load of teens and adults will be leaving immediately.

C) I’d consider doing lunch with you. However, my quota of hour long self-aggrandizement luncheon advertisements by Pharisees is full-up for the millennium.

D) This phone has recently been exorcised. You have exactly 3 microseconds to hang-up before Gabriel smacks you with an extra eternal torture.

E) I’m sure all your very erudite opinions are quite extensively annotated in hell. However, we don’t allow proud, pontifical, phony, plastic, prevaricating plagiarism, here.

[Alamo-Girl]

Thank you both so very much for sharing your testimonies and insights!

[Cvengr]

I don’t know, but some say that because the Sadducees didn’t believe in resurrection, they were so Sadducee?

[Quix]

That’s what my mother always said, too! LOL.

[marbren]

Thanks Quix, One time I ran into one of the main Pharisees, sort of the Chiaphas character, in my situation at a store. This is someone I had yucked it up with small talk for about 40 years. He is a very "nice" man. The previous three years I pleaded with him to try to see the thin ice he was on. I prayed, Lord give me the proper response, I acknowledged him when he said my name, he started the usual small talk, all I said was "no comment".

Seems a strange response but it was powerful.

Silence can also be effective at times.

In an earlier email correspondence with him I said, "Your "father" must be proud of you" His earthly father has already passed away.

[marbren]

LOL Thanks again for some wonderful "Quix quotes". They may come in handy someday If the Spirit moves me to use them.

Some think this is judging, It is not. Judging only happens when you think you are better than someone else (You then are a pharisee). We are all in the same boat, a bunch of sinners who need a Savior.

After you are born again you are in God's soup kitchen, humble beggars for grace. With maturity with growth "in" Christ Jesus, as Quix's fruits demonstrate, the log is removed from your eye. This log is actually your judgmental flesh attitude. Then we can see clearly to remove the speck from the weeds and wheat in our local church body.

Meek and mild have their place, silence has a place and "Quix quotes" have a place. The Holy Spirit will decide the proper response for all the people you meet.

[Quix]

Excellent responses.

. . .

I suppose a pause . . . and a cold, silent look in their eyes could be significant, too.

. . .

How about . . .

“Say, is your relationship with God as dead and manipulated as your relationships with most of the people in your life?”

“It appears that you like to be in !!!!CONTROL!!!! of all your relationships. How’s that working out in your ‘relationship’ with God?”

“I sometimes wonder, what would God have to do to you, in order to break through with a genuine, alive RELATIONSHIP. Seems to me he’d durn near need to kill you just to get your attention.”

Anyway—I think you have a better idea.

Blessings,

[Quix]

Am quite humbled by your very spiritual wisdom from Him.

Thanks tons.

[Quix]

All . . . assuming that I’ve got the simple math right . . .

There are now 1,123 donors to this FREEPATHON.

I think that = 0.2123% of a million FREEPERS AND LURKERS.

A rather pathetic percentage donating, imho.

I suspect virtually all those on this thread have donated. However, let us encourage those we know to be sure they have.

$5.00/ month is probably less than most FREEPERS spend on fast food/week.

FREEREPUBLIC IS WORTH AT LEAST THAT!

[marbren]

Of course I forgot to mention the only words in response that actually do have power behind them, which in fact many of your Quix quotes refer to, the WORD OF GOD.

The problem, imho, with only a mild response, or small talk to be nice to pharisees, is it minimizes the risk they are in. It enables them. Is this a loving response?

My opinion is that the sons of the Devil (pharisees)are most active in the churches, Why would they waste their time on the children of wrath (unbelievers).

I'll tell you one more experience how pharisees work in the church. One time I was privileged to observe my Pastor witness to the Chiaphas pharisee I mentioned, I could see how lost he was in his eyes, I felt the Holy Spirit in the room, an exciting break through felt imminent. Satan sent in an other of the main pharisees and broke it up.

Only a mild response leaves out church discipline. This to me is the reason most churches today are in fact dead. The gospel is compromised to be "nice".

[Quix]

I agree with you entirely.

But for now, back to bed.

Maybe more later.

Thx.

[Esther Ruth]

1John 4:1 Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God,

[Quix]

INDEED! INDEED!