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To: wmfights; Lee N. Field; BibChr
would require that converts submit to their doctrines.

Hmmm... OK, I see where you're getting now.

Well, as far as submitting to doctrines goes... yes and no. It really all depends on what you mean by doctrines. If you mean the Doctrine of the Trinity, yes. If you mean the Doctrine of the Atoning Sacrifice of Christ being the only means by which one can inherit the Kingdom of God or the inerrancy of Scripture or Original Sin or that salvation is a gift of grace given by God, not earned by works then yes.

If what you mean is do we insist that one must believe that Covenant Theology is the only way to God or that the Christian must believe in amillennialism to be a true Christian or that one must submit to belief in all the five points of the TULIP acrostic to be a true Christian, then a resounding no!

I'll give you two quick examples:

Dan Phillips is a contributor to the Pyromaniacs Christian blog and a member here. Dan is a dispensationalist. I have never gotten into a discussion with Dan on eschatology (nor do I intend to right now, I'm pinging him out of courtesy) but, if I would I'm sure we would disagree. Judging from his passionate style of writing and my love of good fight, we would likely vehemently disagree.

But, I would never question Dan's faith or salvation. On the contrary, I have no doubt (as far as I can have no doubt having never met him) of his salvation and I am glad to call him a brother. Our differences aside, I believe Dan to be one of the better Christian writers on the internet and I am often challenged and edified (as well as entertained) by his contributions. I would never dream of insisting that Dan be amil or postmil in order to reconcile himself to God.

I love my mother-in-law. The two of us live under one roof and yet we do not agree on many points of theology. She is dispensationalist and her beliefs are that of a church that sort of was started by Billy Graham (I don't know the whole story). Anyhow, for all of our disagreements I have never doubted her faith, either.

Eschatology is a peripheral matter. Granted, I believe some serious and damaging fallacies are the result of dispensational theology (because it is a theology of more than just the end times) and that too often those fallacies fall to heresy.

BUT I would never question a Christian's salvation nor call them a Satanist, a demon, a liar, a hater of Scripture, a seller of lies, a teacher of "doctrines of demons," in cohorts with Satan, a scoffer, a heretic, or a naysayer simply because they have nifty charts to help them divide the promises of God into neat dispensations.

Seems to be the opposite of what you may think, because I personally have been called all of those things and I've had my "Christian credentials" questioned by a number of dispies (not just on the web, but old friends in "real life," too) because I am no longer a dispensationalist. It isn't peripheral to them, somehow believing in the "futurist" interpretation of Scripture is central to the faith. I must adhere or I am rejected.
455 posted on 05/26/2009 3:02:00 AM PDT by raynearhood ("Naysayers for Jesus" - Charter Member)
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To: raynearhood
I've had my "Christian credentials" questioned by a number of dispies (not just on the web, but old friends in "real life," too) because I am no longer a dispensationalist. It isn't peripheral to them, somehow believing in the "futurist" interpretation of Scripture is central to the faith. I must adhere or I am rejected.

Sorry to hear it. FWIW, it's not something I agree with and have encountered that same type of treatment from amill folks at FR.

I'll have to ping you if I'm able to flesh out my thought better about amill churches being characteristically rigid and exclusionary. I know the RCC fits that description, but I'm not sure about the Presbyterian and other denominations that are amill.

465 posted on 05/27/2009 6:11:13 PM PDT by wmfights (If you want change support SenateConservatives.com)
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