[raynearhood]

Does our sinfulness require Satan as the instigator?

PROVERBS 16:1-5 The plans of the heart belong to man, but the answer of the tongue is from the Lord. All the ways of man are clean in his own sight, but the Lord weighs the motive....

Sooo, no.

RAY: False religions, abortion, homosexuality, murder, etc... all sinfulness - who does God fault for these, Satan or Man?

JO: Both the temptor and the tempted.

1CORINTHIANS 10:13

1 Corinthians 10:13 has nothing to do with the questions. It actually answers a different question: Can the elect be tempted to sin so as to fall from salvation?

The answer is man. Satan's sin caused his fall. His deceptions feed human sin. Human sin is man's fall. It was through Adam, not Satan, that sin entered the world. The deceiver deceives, but the deceived is where fault is found. This is evidenced by the following:

RAY: On the last day, who will be judged for these sins, the Deciever or the sinner?

JO: Again, both. No human is forced to love and serve God. He wants our devotion, but He won’t “take it”. If we choose to blaspheme the Holy Spirit by rejecting Jesus’ sacrifice for our sins, we have no advocate but ourselves.

You lost me after the word "both." I'm not sure how the rest of the answer pertains to the question. However, here are a couple Scriptures that do:

John 12:44-48
And Jesus cried out and said, "He who believes in Me, does not believe in Me but in Him who sent Me. He who sees Me sees the One who sent Me. I have come as Light into the world, so that everyone who believes in Me will not remain in darkness. If anyone hears My sayings and does not keep them, I do not judge him; for I did not come to judge the world, but to save the world. He who rejects Me and does not receive My sayings, has one who judges him; the word I spoke is what will judge him at the last day.

2 Peter 3:7
But by His word the present heavens and earth are being reserved for fire, kept for the day of judgment and destruction of ungodly men.

Revelation 20:11-13
Then I saw a great white throne and Him who sat upon it, from whose presence earth and heaven fled away, and no place was found for them. And I saw the dead, the great and the small, standing before the throne, and books were opened; and another book was opened, which is the book of life; and the dead were judged from the things which were written in the books, according to their deeds. And the sea gave up the dead which were in it, and death and Hades gave up the dead which were in them; and they were judged, every one of them according to their deeds.

Satan is not responsible for our sin... we are. We, not Satan, will be judged for our deeds.

[Star Traveler]

Say Jo..., one of the things I would keep in mind, here — is that discussing *defective theologies* from those who also preach “doctrines of demons” — is really fruitless.

Once someone has gone over to the “dark side” and preaches the doctrines of demons in which God has nothing to do with the nation of Israel, any longer — then they are in the camp of demons.

And once someone is in the camp of the demons, then discussing theology with demons is sort of like Jesus discussing it with Satan... Satan never became saved, did he? LOL...

So, I can see that these theologies that elevate the church above the position that God gave it, and tries to take away the very being and existence of the nation of Israel from being a nation before God forever — is simply trying to convert demons... why bother?

Let the demons be the demons they want to be...

I would talk to Christians and leave the evil theologies alone...

But, it’s up to you...