[topcat54]

Paul talks about Israel in the context of a “nation” and as a “people”, and how God will deal with them. And, as we have seen, already, God will have Israel as a nation, before him, forevermore.

Paul never refers to Israel as a nation in the sense that the futurists use the term, an irreligious secular entity occupying a plot of ground in the middle east somewhere.

But even the Church is referred to as a “holy nation” (1 Peter 2:9,10) which demonstrates that the biblical idea of nationhood is far different from the notions of modern futurists.

What does “forevermore” mean in your claim above? It is meaningless until you define your terms.

[Jo Nuvark]

[... What does “forevermore” mean in your claim above?
It is meaningless until you define your terms...]

Come on ST... tell us the meaning of “is”.