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To: dalight

For the third time: the Revelation of Christ and His rejection by the organized Judaism is not God stopping to love the Jews, or breaking His own word. When Jews convert to Catholic Christianity, the covenant of Moses will be fulfilled.

Nothing John Paul II, or any other pope, said contradicts the posted discourse or replacement theology, at least not fundamentally.

Catholicism condemns the Holocaust as an unspeakable crime, as well as it condemns racism of every kind.


34 posted on 05/13/2009 2:58:05 PM PDT by annalex (http://www.catecheticsonline.com/CatenaAurea.php)
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To: annalex
For the third time: the Revelation of Christ and His rejection by the organized Judaism is not God stopping to love the Jews, or breaking His own word. When Jews convert to Catholic Christianity, the covenant of Moses will be fulfilled.

Well, we are getting more into rational territory. The Jews will never convert. Ever. 2000 years and the Roman lash were not enough. Nor was the Holocaust, or the Spanish Inquisition. As I have been trying to share, the moment the Jews cease to be so will the Christians, we travel together down separate but important paths toward the same goal.

Christians are welcome to attempt to convert Jews as long as they use the tactics of persuasion by reason and always avoid coercion. Jews who can be converted are not Jews, just folks who remember that they have a heritage and an obligation that they aren't ready to keep. This has consequences for all, and we pray for them to come back to life and their unique obligation, but it is so difficult once you cut yourself off.

What Christian's have to offer is meaningless to Jews, Judaism as a faith does not offer salvation. We instead are called to live a Holy life, and this indeed is not easy, such that as all humans we are reduced to attempting to meet this obligation each day, and begging for forgiveness when we fall short of this mark. And Jews, have no place in the Christian "Kingdom of Heaven" for we are the meek who were instead given a portion of the Earth as our own but who just borrow our souls and when our time comes and we have lived well, we happily give them back to from whence they came, God.

This is no loss, for God remembers all, is all and the soul is no longer separated from God by the identity of living beings. We do experience what Christians describe as Hell however, in that once the soul has departed the body, if it attempts to hide from God and stay separate because of Guilt for evil done but not atoned for to man or God and moreso because of fear of the loss of identity. In this case, the very fires of Hell are God's love radiated to call the soul back to him. The torture comes from the very denial of this call.

35 posted on 05/14/2009 8:40:20 AM PDT by dalight
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To: annalex
For the third time: the Revelation of Christ and His rejection by the organized Judaism is not God stopping to love the Jews, or breaking His own word. When Jews convert to Catholic Christianity, the covenant of Moses will be fulfilled.

About the Covenant of Moses. This doesn't exist as such. The Covenant is with Abraham's children through Issac. At Sinai, Israel came into the very presence of God and each individual member of the nation of Israel was given the Law and accepted it, saying all that you command we will do.

It is said, every Jew from throughout time stands there at the base of Mt. Sinai in that very moment for this is a commitment that each Jew makes in his own time if he is to be a Jew and any human can step into this light, and accept this yoke if they so decide, but it is a moment beyond any other religion because it is a commitment made to God directly, not through any intermediary who must travel afar to bring back this gift. Instead it is the acceptance of the individual of a bond and obligation to God to be a light unto the world, a priest to the nations and a witness to the existence and Glory of the One and ONLY God who is our Lord, Creator and Source of life.

The Christian message brings mankind onto this path and therefor is in service to God's desire that all human beings are freed from slavery and oppression of the body and the spirit. Christian practice is consistent to the obligations of those who have not accepted the yoke of Judaism and thus is a path to Righteousness. Judaism commands us to love accept and assist others who are not Jews, to accept the stranger in our midst, and always remember that we were once oppressed and that the gift of freedom we received has come with the obligation to help others to freedom as well.

36 posted on 05/14/2009 9:14:51 AM PDT by dalight
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