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To: BlackElk

“...the Russian Orthodox Church has paid the price of having all too cozy a relationship between the reds and its Russian clergy.”

Indeed it has, as all state churches of whatever persuasion do. Ethnophyletism isn’t avoided simply because a church has a central universal authority, BE.


80 posted on 05/07/2009 8:58:35 AM PDT by Kolokotronis (Christ is Risen, and you, o death, are annihilated!)
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To: Kolokotronis
We have had a prudentially (not doctrinally) foolish or ineffective pope or two (John XXIII and Paul VI come to mind). Some of us believe that their prudential error was to ignore the real third secret of Fatima (just joking): Whatever you do, don't convene a council. OTOH, I cannot remember an even vaguely credible charge that any pope had been previously engaged as a KGB agent.

There have been accusations by the late Malachi Martin that John Paul I was the target of a KGB assassination attempt, that a Russian Orthodox bishop (relatively young and in ostensible good health) died at a papal reception for religious leaders of other faiths when he opened a gift book from the Russian Church leaders (infiltrated by KGB), that he died not of a heart attack as reported but because a poison gas capsule was released by the opening of the book. The suggestion is that the young bishop was personally innocent and used as a pawn by the KGB. The circumstances of John Paul I's sudden death are highly questionable. There is little doubt that the KGB tried to hit John Paul the Great, recruiting the Bulgarian KGB to hire Mehmet Ali Agca of the Islamo-nutcase Turkish Grey Wolves. JP II survived his grave injuries.

Our answer was contained in the fall of the Iron Curtain. I don't have the slightest clue as to what "ethnophyletism" may be claimed to be nor do I think I need to be enlightened in that respect given the genius of a central universal teaching authority as a sure guarantee of small o orthodoxy.

92 posted on 05/07/2009 11:12:11 AM PDT by BlackElk (Dean of Discipline of the Tomas de Torquemada Gentlemen's Club)
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