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To: Kolokotronis
With each post you are convincing me that, when I was tempted by bad "Catholic" liturgies in the 1970s to become Eastern Orthodox, I was blessed by the intervention of Catholic friends and the grace of God to remain Catholic. If youraparent belief think that the heresies that have for several decades marked the AmChurch include over-emphasis on saving the lives of God's innocent unborn babies reflects actual Orthox opinion, I cannot imagine ever being tempted by Eastern Orthodoxy again.

As to the authority of diocesan bishops, it happens that the 68 Catholic bishops who have attacked the once Catholic Notre Dame University are, in fact, standing in solidarity with Bishop D'Arcy of the Fort Wayne-South Bend Diocese. My own Rockford, Illinois Bishop Thomas Doran (one of seven judges of the Signatura which is the RCC's Supreme Court) has called upon Fr. Jenkins to change the name of ND to something more accurate: NW Indiana Humanist University and he has said that he will pray for Fr. Jenkins conversion to Catholicism.

If Bishop D'Arcy had lacked the backbone to at least attack the decision of Jenkins and the pseudo-Catholic Demonratic Party whores who run ND to invite an open enemy of our Church (and of our civilization) to speak at commencement and to receive an honorary JD degree as well, then I would have applauded my bishop for intervening against the evil of such moral cowardice in a fellow bishop.

Perhaps what is heresy is the presumption by one who is not of the Roman Catholic Faith of some non-existent status justifying your fantasy of declaring papal statements on matters of faith and morals as "heresy."

That Orthodoxy lacks a central teaching and governing authority and has no pope and must therefore rely on mere councils (not necessarily consistent with one another) or local bishops (not necessarily consistent with one another) does not justify individual Orthodox in exercising the effrontery to attack the pope as a "heretic."

There must be some reason why you imagine your anti-Catholic opinions to be of interest to Catholics, but I confess I cannot imagine such a thing. If we should ever thirst for your opinions on the governance of our Church, we will be sure to let you know. Don't hold your breath waiting, though.

Maybe you guys could bring the anti-papal SSPX nuisances into your ranks. That would be doing something useful for us.

71 posted on 05/07/2009 7:10:58 AM PDT by BlackElk (Dean of Discipline of the Tomas de Torquemada Gentlemen's Club)
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To: BlackElk

“With each post you are convincing me that, when I was tempted by bad “Catholic” liturgies in the 1970s to become Eastern Orthodox, I was blessed by the intervention of Catholic friends and the grace of God to remain Catholic. If youraparent belief think that the heresies that have for several decades marked the AmChurch include over-emphasis on saving the lives of God’s innocent unborn babies reflects actual Orthox opinion, I cannot imagine ever being tempted by Eastern Orthodoxy again.”

BE, if you think that being anti-abortion is the overarching requirement of The Faith, the ultimate sine qua non of Catholicism before which all other considerations must fall, then you would be very unhappy in Orthodoxy.

“Perhaps what is heresy is the presumption by one who is not of the Roman Catholic Faith of some non-existent status justifying your fantasy of declaring papal statements on matters of faith and morals as “heresy.””

One of the fundamental and very practical differences between the laity in the Roman Church and the laity in Orthodoxy is that we have a positive obligation to recognize heresy, especially among hierarchs, and take action against them. Its our role in the Church, BE. There is no pay, pray and obey mentality among the laity in Orthodoxy. Now, we are told by your hierarchs that we are in sufficient communion with Rome that we are welcome to receive the Eucharist at a liturgy. Sounds to me like I have all the “authority” I need to speak my mind about heresiarchs in a particular Church which views my Church as being in communion with it. Not presumption, BE, proper role.


79 posted on 05/07/2009 8:54:01 AM PDT by Kolokotronis (Christ is Risen, and you, o death, are annihilated!)
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