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To: BlackElk
You have no problem spouting Tito's communist propaganda against the RCC

I usually reference my factual claims (unless widely known) and I don't remember ever using Tito as my reference.

and nuzzling Obamamessiah as preferable because of his potential to destroy our country by pacifism in the face of our nation's enemies and collaboration with them

I don't remember endorsing any such person, nor his alleged collaboration with our enemies. You are either making ad hominem comments or you have me confused with someone else.

I knew a man in New Haven (now dead of heart trouble) by the name of Bill Kirkiles who was a Greek Orthodox partisan leader against Tito when Tito was stealing the children of Orthodox in Macedonia and Northern Greece to be sent off to Stalin for "re-education"...while people like you sat around whining about the evils of taking up arms and killing those reds who needed killing. Bill killed them and so did many Orthodox but not the kind who would embrace an Obama...

Why are you telling me this? What does this have to do with me, the Orthodox Church and her teachings? People do what they wish to do, but neither Christ nor the primitive Catholic Church professed any taking up arms and killing people. In fact, the Greatest martyrs in the Church would qualify as pacifist weenies in your book.

The concordat negotiated with the German government (whose president was the non-Nazi Paul Hindenberg) was typical of Vatican concordats all over Europe

So?

There was Lutheran resistance to Hitler in the form of heroes like Dietrich Bonhoeffer who went back to Germany to be hanged by Hitler in the endgame of Nazi rule

As I said, many Christian martyrs, individually did resist and paid with their lives for the sake or righteousness, but their communities and the Catholic Church, as institutions, collaborated with the Nazi regime.

Was there something you objected to in the Roman Catholic Church's opposition to communism?

I don't remember ever suggesting that it did. Are you in a habit of smearing people with your unsupported insinuations? I don't remember, however, the Catholic Church resisting communism by picking up arms. On a practical level, the Church learned how to "live" with communist regimes while being opposed to communism in principle.

Do you not only like Tito but also his and Stalin's ideology??? Do you really wonder why people who share such views you are despised by civilized men???

When and where did I say I liked Tito's ideology? You are suggesting things I never said. There is nothing civilized about people who make up lies. There is nothing Catholic about them either.

When you accuse those who fought and resisted of "hypocrisy" and "ignorance," you have spent too much time looking in the mirror and you emit the same odor as Obama would if he claimed fiscal responsibility as central to his (and your?) ideology.

It is you who consider Christian martyrs "weenies" and not "manly" enough. You are so full of hate, spilling it out as personal insults that I can't imagine how you can live with yourself, or go to church, if you go to church. I truly pity you.

Run your own church if you can and mind your own business which does not include the RCC.

Last time I checked, this is not a Catholic-caucus article, but rather an open forum for all to participate with their views. I think you are confused as to the rules of the Religion Forum. But after reading your hate-filled responses I wouldn't be surprised if you just don't care. Perhaps it's not "manly" enough to care; only "weenies" care, right?

209 posted on 05/10/2009 10:03:19 PM PDT by kosta50 (Don't look up, the truth is all around you)
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To: BlackElk; kosta50

Discuss the issues all you want, but do NOT make it personal.


210 posted on 05/10/2009 10:06:55 PM PDT by Religion Moderator
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