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To: kosta50
The Catechism of the Catholic Church does not forbid capital punishment<---What I wrote.

False.<---What you wrote.

Then you continue to prove me right and you wrong, all the while maintainting that I am wrong and you are right. When even the most rudimentary logic is beyond your capacity, I think it is time to respectfully disengage from dialogue.

Exhibit A: The Catechism is very explicit (and correct)

2267 The traditional teaching of the Church does not exclude, presupposing full ascertainment of the identity and responsibility of the offender, recourse to the death penalty, when this is the ONLY practicable way to defend the lives of human beings effectively against the aggressor.

The fact that the Church qualifies it does not mean she forbids it, which is what I said. I honestly do not know how this could be made clearer. Especially with you EOs being so intent on the letter of the law.

175 posted on 05/09/2009 11:26:26 AM PDT by TradicalRC (Conservatism is primarily a Christian movement.)
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To: TradicalRC; kosta50
Especially with you EOs being so intent on the letter of the law.

I hate to say it but I am beginning to wonder where the former Pharisees among the Jews of the Second Temple period went, since they seem not to have joined Rabbinical Judaism. Perhaps they became the source of this tendency you refer to.

176 posted on 05/09/2009 11:49:21 AM PDT by Lucius Cornelius Sulla ("men of intemperate minds cannot be free. Their passions forge their fetters." -- Edmund Burke)
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To: TradicalRC
Then you continue to prove me right and you wrong, all the while maintainting that I am wrong and you are right. When even the most rudimentary logic is beyond your capacity, I think it is time to respectfully disengage from dialogue

The genuine, original, orthodox Catholic Church, not the Frankish innovation you call Catholic Church, forbade capital punishment. The Catechism of your Church surrenders to the Augustinian invention of a "just war" (accepted only in the west), and proposes that death sentence can be carried out only as a last resort and option. That is nowhere to be found in any early Christian writings.

Trying to stay true to Augustine's error, the way your Church's catechism is worded prohibits capital punishment for all practical purposes. As long as someone can be guarded or incarcerated or isolated, the capital punishment is not an option. When does a state not have the the option of isolating an individual? Never.

The fact that the Church qualifies it does not mean she forbids it, which is what I said. I honestly do not know how this could be made clearer. Especially with you EOs being so intent on the letter of the law.

Your Church does not forbid it, but the genuine original Catholic Church did, and does. It couldn't be clearer than that. The problem with the RCs is that they think Christianity started in the 11th century.

183 posted on 05/09/2009 3:48:03 PM PDT by kosta50 (Don't look up, the truth is all around you)
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