This verse speaks of HEARING Christ's word it doesn't say where ALL of it is to be found.
"If you hear His word and believe on Him, you have eternal life...RIGHT NOW...Not when you hear some future revelation down the road..."
I didn't ask about WHEN I hear Christ's word, I' m asking where can ALL of it be found.
"Joh 20:31 But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name.
" John is talking about signs so that we may believe in Christ, he is not talking about where ALL Christ's revelations can be found.
"1Jn 5:13 These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God. "
Again the subject is belief not about where ALL of Christ's revelations can be found.
"What John preached to people was all the knowledge that was needed to receive salvation and eternal life...And when they believed, they had eternal life...Right then...NOT when some future revelation came along..."
It is obvious from the verse: "These things have I written unto you that believe", that these people already received revelation about Christ and are now being edified by John's epistle. My question to you is where is ALL of this revelation contained?
"2Ti 3:16 All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:"
"Scripture is given for doctrine and instruction in righteousness...You are suggesting it is not..."
No I'm not, where did I claim that?
"You are claiming there was more revelation that was required at a later time that would add to the doctrine"
I'm saying more revelation was given along with the Scriptures by word of mouth ie. tradition that gave doctrine:
2Thes:2:15: "Therefore, brethren, stand fast: and hold the traditions, which you have learned, whether by word or by our epistle."
"You are claiming that righteousness could not be obtained until a future revelation was revealed to your church..."
I am? Explain..
"But yet the verse says the scripture was profitable for reproof and correction."
Indeed it does, where does it say Scripture is "sufficient".
"And the scripture was so profitable that it would prove itself "
Where does it say that?
"and correct the sinner unto perfection and thoroughly furnish a sinner unto all good works... "
No, it says "..to correct.. that the man of God may be perfect, furnished to every good work."
From this verse you are assuming that Scripture is all one needs from the word profitable that word does not mean sufficient.
Also if you were to believe from this verse that Scripture is all there is to divine revelation than you would have to believe that all divine revelation is in the Old Testament. Paul is here alluding to the Scripture that Timothy knew from his "infancy" the New Testament had not yet been written.
"2Ti 3:17 That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works." "
Now what future revelation could add to that???"
The whole revelation of the New Testament, because as I said this verse is speaking of the revelations of the Old Testament.
Regards,
Gonzo
1Jn 5:5 Who is he that overcometh the world, but he that believeth that Jesus is the Son of God?
1Jn 5:7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.
1Jn 5:10 He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son.
1Jn 5:11 And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son. 1Jn 5:12 He that hath the Son hath life: and he that hath not the Son of God hath not life.
1Jn 5:13 These things
What things??? The things you just read that were written 2000 years ago...
1Jn 5:13 These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.
Again the subject is belief not about where ALL of Christ's revelations can be found.
WRONG...It's about both...And that's just as obvious as the nose on your face...
"Joh 5:24 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life."
This verse speaks of HEARING Christ's word it doesn't say where ALL of it is to be found.
The verse says they that heard the verse and believe it have everlasting life...RIGHT NOW...That was 2000 years ago...
We're talking a very simple verse here...The 'milk' of the word...This is not a mysterious verse, hard to be understood...
All of the information was found 2000 years ago...And John wrote about it 2000 years ago...There is NOTHING that can be added to that that is required for salvation...
I didn't ask about WHEN I hear Christ's word, I' m asking where can ALL of it be found.
IN THE SCRIPTURE...That is what we call what John wrote...
"Joh 20:31 But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name.
" John is talking about signs so that we may believe in Christ, he is not talking about where ALL Christ's revelations can be found.
John is talking about what he wrote...John did not say these signs were performed that you would believe, John said that these events were written down so that you who did not experience then might beieve...
Sure, the Jews required a sign to believe...Do you require a sign to believe???
It is obvious from the verse: "These things have I written unto you that believe", that these people already received revelation about Christ and are now being edified by John's epistle. My question to you is where is ALL of this revelation contained?
Quite clearyly in John's and the other's epistles...
There is no future Revelation that takes place hundreds of year later for the salvation message to be complete...
I'm saying more revelation was given along with the Scriptures by word of mouth ie. tradition that gave doctrine:
Doctrine is the essence of salvation...John made it clear that the doctrine necessary for salvation was complete in his day...And although John doesn't use the word 'sufficient', he makes it clear that what he has written is sufficient knowledge for our salvation...