Posted on 04/21/2009 6:10:33 PM PDT by chase19
Donohue's got his history right, right!?
Bill Donohue is one of my favorite people. He doesn’t give a da*n about PC from a hole in the wall. He just tells it like he sees it...so rare today.
There is always talk of how the Catholic Church stopped this or that advancement.
This book tells the truth
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Catholic-Church-Built-Western-Civilization/dp/0895260387
Many don’t care about truth.
Those “itching ears” are eager to believe what they wish.
Jesus Christ gave Peter the keys and said that Hell would not prevail against his church... people have to decide whether they get their truth from THE CHURCH or Opie.
Yep, Bill D. is one of the only conservatives who punches back, instead of apologizing for putting his nose in the way of fists.
If that were true, I'd have no problem with it. But that's not how it was described and promoted.
Well, yes and no.
The Bavarian Illuminati he references indeed functioned as an organization during the period he discusses.
However, the Illuminati identified with and considered themselves descended from various earlier masonic and anti-Church movements such as the Fratecelli, Rosicrucians, Albigensians, etc.
The Church did indeed massacre some of these movements.
Whether the quote from the movie is historically accurate would depend to some extent on the context of the discussion.
Given the general lack of interest in historical accuracy in Brown's writing, I'd be quite surprised if it is accurate.
http://www.amazon.com/Beyond-Vinci-Code-History-Channel/dp/B0007XG02W
That's what Max Baer said too.
I dont know much about the Illuminati, but I think that Hollywood is going to make films depicting whatever makes them feel good...
Who needs facts or history ???
They get in the way of “art”
The illuminati are one link in a much longer chain of secret orders rumored to date back to the age of Horus and possibly beyond and all sharing various common aspects, namely the pursuit and sharing of scientific knowledge which, ultimaely, became a threat to the status quo i.e. the church. There is no doubt that the Catholic church sought to quash their endeavors through both non-violence and violence when the threat became intolerable. The Catholic church of the time was much more involved in the day to day life of men and women back then. Undermining their hegemony was considered blasphemy/satanic/sorcery/witchcraft/heresy/etc and was punishable by death and torture. I don’t find it difficult to believe that a crusade was ordered against the illuminati although it is more likely that this is fictional reference to the earlier crusade waged against the Templar Knights by order of King Phillip prior to their involvment with the ancient and accepted scottish right. The illuminati have always remained a bit of an enigma within the grand scheme of free masonry (at least to me). Their involvement with Templars seems highly likely but their Raison d’être remains something of a mystery.
Hey Ron, if you are so gutsy and open minded, why not bring The Satanic Verses to the big screen?
I am not Catholic, but I love BD. He is awesome and defends his faith like no other.
In charity, I must say that you are sadly misinformed. The Catholic Church has not been been involved in these cabals that you reference. Secular powers, seeking to clothe themselves in the cloak of Religion, have done so, multiple times.
The two are not the self and same iterations.
God bless.
Sursum Corda
I’m not misinformed about anything in which you are referring to. I think maybe you misunderstood what I wrote actually.
The Illumini were want to associate their cult with any organization that vaguely resembled theirs. It was part of the freemasons who in Catholic countries were bitterly opposed to the Church. They freely made stuff up. The utopian socialists of the early 19th Century copied them, including their rituals.
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