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To: Godzilla
It is the Lord's passover. Paul uses this occasion to share the spiritual application of the Passover.
Spiritual application - yes. Mandating annual celebration of the Passover – no. Paul was relating to the celebration of the Lord’s supper – not Passover.

He said:

1Co 5:8 Therefore let us keep the feast, not with old leaven, neither with the leaven of malice and wickedness; but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth.

"Keep the feast" is hereotazo. It means to "keep a feast day, celebrate a feast". It is derived from heortē, means feast day or holy days. This word is ALWAYS used in nt greek to denote on of the holy days or feast days of the Lord. Always. Yes, it has spiritual application, but whether you like it or not, Paul is issuing clear instructions to a predominantly gentile church to keep, to celebrate, one of the Lord's holy days. To believe otherwise is to throw away scripture.

So to mark time by it means that they're still calculating Pentecost every year. Just because they were marking time by the Jewish calendar does not mean they were continuing to celebrate those feasts. In fact, the passage is contrary to it as Pentecost was one of the special ones where they were required to go to Jerusalem. Now show us where this large influx of Gentile Christians are attending Pentecost in Jerusalem (crickets) Perhaps because they were not celebrating it.

The new Christians were following scripture, not Jewish traditions. Show me in scripture where the Lord commanded that his holy days had to be observed in the temple in Jerusalem. I'll save you the trouble. It's not there. It was a man made rule.

Paul is Christian. Christians have a high priest in Christ. There's nothing in scripture to say that the holy days must be observed in Jerusalem. Come on Doug, now you are being dishonest with the Jewish customs surrounding Pentecost? According to Ex. 34:18-26, the Feast of Weeks (Pentecost) is the second of the three festivals where all males are required to be at the temple. They are to bring to the temple "the first-fruits of wheat harvest," "the first-fruits of thy labors which thou hast sown in the field."

You're simply wrong. Those verses you quote say nothing about a requirement to celebrate the feast days in a temple OR at Jerusalem. There's no other way to say it than that you're mistaken.

Rom 13:8 Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law. Imagine that Doug, the Law is fulfilled through love. That means that the laws of Moses have been redefined by Jesus – no longer requiring us to follow ceremonial laws and customs but as Paul also taught

Not traditions and customs of jews. Read closer:

Rom 13:8 Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law.
Rom 13:9 For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself.
Rom 13:10 Love worketh no ill to his neighbor: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law

If one has true Godly love toward his neighbor then he will appear to be keeping perfectly the commandments of God physically and spiritually. That's the point Paul is making. Christians have the indwelling of Christ. If we let Christ LIVE through us, if we don't impede his spirit, perfect love will bloom. The result will be what is called the fruits of the spirit. But to an outsider it will APPEAR as is we are keeping God's commandments. But as Paul says:

Gal 2:20 I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.

The "faith" of the son of God means that Paul has faith enough to let Christ live through him and Christ full fills the law.

449 posted on 04/14/2009 7:24:39 PM PDT by DouglasKC
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To: DouglasKC
1Co 5:8 Therefore let us keep the feast, not with old leaven, neither with the leaven of malice and wickedness; but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth.

"Keep the feast" is hereotazo. It means to "keep a feast day, celebrate a feast". It is derived from heortē, means feast day or holy days. This word is ALWAYS used in nt greek to denote on of the holy days or feast days of the Lord. Always. Yes, it has spiritual application, but whether you like it or not, Paul is issuing clear instructions to a predominantly gentile church to keep, to celebrate, one of the Lord's holy days. To believe otherwise is to throw away scripture.

No, to believe otherwise is to accept scripture in its context. The feast here is the agape' or love feast celebrated by the early church which included the Lord's supper. Allowing rampant sin as the Corinthians did eroded the fellowship. Look close at the second part of the statement - but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth. that is not a component of passover in any of my readings but when in context with sinful behavior through vs 6 and restating it in vs 9 does not make this a teaching directing to keep jewish holydays - but the Lord's supper.

LOL if the instruction was so clear/b>, there would have certainly been more meat to it than a passing mention of an "unnamed" Jewish feast. Face it Doug, you are beating a dead horse - this feast is the Lords supper/agape' meals, it is the only thing that fits the context with out destroying the passage.

Show me in scripture where the Lord commanded that his holy days had to be observed in the temple in Jerusalem. I'll save you the trouble. It's not there. It was a man made rule.

I already did once already. There were three feasts where all Jewish males were required to appear before the Lord in the Temple.

Ex24:14 Three times thou shalt keep a feast unto me in the year.
15 Thou shalt keep the feast of unleavened bread: (thou shalt eat unleavened bread seven days, as I commanded thee, in the time appointed of the month Abib; for in it thou camest out from Egypt: and none shall appear before me empty:)
16 And the feast of harvest, the firstfruits of thy labours, which thou hast sown in the field: and the feast of ingathering, which is in the end of the year, when thou hast gathered in thy labours out of the field.
17 Three times in the year all thy males shall appear before the Lord GOD.

Deut 16:16 Three times in a year shall all thy males appear before the LORD thy God in the place which he shall choose; in the feast of unleavened bread, and in the feast of weeks, and in the feast of tabernacles: and they shall not appear before the LORD empty:

Now if you bother to study these, they involve offering sacrifices at the only place authorized for such - at the temple, and the only temple was in Jerusalem.

You're simply wrong. Those verses you quote say nothing about a requirement to celebrate the feast days in a temple OR at Jerusalem. There's no other way to say it than that you're mistaken.

Sorry if scripture counters you belief system.

The "faith" of the son of God means that Paul has faith enough to let Christ live through him and Christ full fills the law.

Why thank you so much for making my point for me!!!! Christ has fulfilled the Law. Jesus fulfilled the types of ALL the feasts Doug. Why go back and try to celebrate the old - when we have Christ!

469 posted on 04/14/2009 8:32:35 PM PDT by Godzilla (Galatians 4:16 So iz i ur enemi now becz i tellded u teh troof?)
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