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To: XeniaSt
Review the Septuagint, YHvH is called L-rd in the Septuagint. A Torah-observant Jew as was John would be referring to YHvH as L-rd. Thus the L-rd's day would be Shabbat not the Pagan day of the sun.

John was also a disciple of Jesus and a Christian, with all that involves, and the understanding that the law pointed towards Jesus as its fulfillment. I'm sorry if the use of Greek by John in Revelation - reflects the established usage in the NT is indicative of the First Day of the week. That the day of the week became known later as Sunday means little to a believer - because it is just a word. What makes it significant to Christians is that it is the day of the week Jesus Christ rose from the dead. And whether or not that day is named Sunday, mother goose or donaldday, the significance does not come from the name, but the event associated with the particular day of the week.

392 posted on 04/14/2009 10:00:54 AM PDT by Godzilla (Galatians 4:16 So iz i ur enemi now becz i tellded u teh troof?)
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To: Godzilla; XeniaSt; JohnnyM; xzins; thedeaconskid; Quix
For the discussion, I’d like to submit that some of the early Christians referred to the worship on the “eighth day” in anticipation of the new heaven and new earth and that the Lord’s Sabbath is also prophecy, referring to Creation week and Christ's millennial reign.

First, from the Epistle of Barnabas thought to be written in the first few centuries after the Resurrection of Jesus:

Of the Sabbath He speaketh in the beginning of the creation; And God made the works of His hands in six days, and He ended on the seventh day, and rested on it, and He hallowed it. Give heed, children, what this meaneth; He ended in six days. He meaneth this, that in six thousand years the Lord shall bring all things to an end; for the day with Him signifyeth a thousand years; and this He himself beareth me witness, saying; Behold, the day of the Lord shall be as a thousand years.

Therefore, children, in six days, that is in six thousand years, everything shall come to an end. And He rested on the seventh day. this He meaneth; when His Son shall come, and shall abolish the time of the Lawless One, and shall judge the ungodly, and shall change the sun and the moon and the stars, then shall he truly rest on the seventh day.

Yea and furthermore He saith; Thou shalt hallow it with pure hands and with a pure heart. If therefore a man is able now to hallow the day which God hallowed, though he be pure in heart, we have gone utterly astray. But if after all then and not till then shall we truly rest and hallow it, when we shall ourselves be able to do so after being justified and receiving the promise, when iniquity is no more and all things have been made new by the Lord, we shall be able to hallow it then, because we ourselves shall have been hallowed first.

Finally He saith to them; Your new moons and your Sabbaths I cannot away with. Ye see what is His meaning ; it is not your present Sabbaths that are acceptable [unto Me], but the Sabbath which I have made, in the which, when I have set all things at rest, I will make the beginning of the eighth day which is the beginning of another world.

Wherefore also we keep the eighth day for rejoicing, in the which also Jesus rose from the dead, and having been manifested ascended into the heavens. - chapter 15:3-9

From Revelation, the thousand year reign and then the new heaven and new earth:

Blessed and holy [is] he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years. – Revelation 20:6

And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea. – Revelation 21:1

The Sabbath as also prophecy:

Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath [days]: Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body [is] of Christ. - Colossians 2:16-17

And he said unto them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath: Therefore the Son of man is Lord also of the sabbath. – Mark 2:27-28

And the timing of the week appointed to Adamic man vis-à-vis Creation, i.e. a day from God’s perspective is a 1,000 years from man’s perspective (Sanhedrin 97a; Avodah Zarah Sa) - emphasis mine:

But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die. – Genesis 2:17

And all the days that Adam lived were nine hundred and thirty years: and he died. – Genesis 5:5

For a thousand years in thy sight are but as yesterday when it is past, and as a watch in the night. – Psalms 90:4

But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day. - 2 Peter 3:8

BTW, the "surely die" of Genesis 2:17 is "muwth muwth" literally "death death." The second death is shown here in Revelation:

And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works. And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. - Revelation 20:13-14

To God be the glory!

394 posted on 04/14/2009 10:39:02 AM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: Godzilla
XS> Review the Septuagint, YHvH is called L-rd in the Septuagint. A Torah-observant Jew as was John would be referring to YHvH as L-rd. Thus the L-rd's day would be Shabbat not the Pagan day of the sun.

John was also a disciple of Jesus and a Christian, with all that involves, and the understanding that the law pointed towards Jesus as its fulfillment. I'm sorry if the use of Greek by John in Revelation - reflects the established usage in the NT is indicative of the First Day of the week. That the day of the week became known later as Sunday means little to a believer - because it is just a word. What makes it significant to Christians is that it is the day of the week Jesus Christ rose from the dead. And whether or not that day is named Sunday, mother goose or donaldday, the significance does not come from the name, but the event associated with the particular day of the week.

John was a Torah observant Jew who was a follower of the Messiah.

John in the book called Revelation is referring to the L-rd's day i.e. Shabbat.

Yah'shua rose from the dead on the day following the Shabbat during Pesach
the Feast of First Fruits.

In the world, days begin at midnight.

In the Word of Elohim, days begin at sundown
and continue until the following sundown.
See Genesis 1:5

NAsbU Genesis 1:5 God called the light day, and the darkness He called night.
And there was evening and there was morning, one day.
The first day of the week in the Word begins at sundown on the "day" called Saturday.
shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach
396 posted on 04/14/2009 10:52:18 AM PDT by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 119:174 I long for Your salvation, YHvH, Your law is my delight.)
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