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To: DouglasKC

***Regarding the holy days, the traditional church failed.***

I would dispute that. The Church of Jesus Christ became Christian with all that that means, and not Jewish. They acknowledged that the Saturday Sabbath was Jewish and created the Sunday holy day of the Christian God.

***Christ spoke about and kept the holy days he created. His disciples kept these very same days. ***

Read through Acts. That is the progression where the Church dissociated itself from Judaism.

***Historically we can find evidence where the traditional church decided to create their own days.***

Yes, that is some of the authority that was granted to it by Christ.

***As you correctly point out, the notion the holy spirit is part of the Godhead in heaven is not scriptural but is traditional. Again, I believe scripture. The father and the son are co-equal in the Godhead in heaven.***

Got it. Therefore you are not Christian. The nomenclature is Judaizer, I believe. The Jews are our elder brethren, that we must reverence as the first to know God. One must examine things, though. One cannot go back into the womb.

***The father and the son are co-equal in the Godhead in heaven. They holy spirit is their presence in the earth, but the holy spirit is not a person and part of the Godhead in heaven. Scripturally.***

That is an often arrived-at reading of sola scriptura.

Fortunately, Christ left us His Church, instead of NT scripture so that there is no question of theology.


225 posted on 04/11/2009 10:00:19 AM PDT by MarkBsnr ( I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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To: MarkBsnr
I would dispute that. The Church of Jesus Christ became Christian with all that that means, and not Jewish. They acknowledged that the Saturday Sabbath was Jewish and created the Sunday holy day of the Christian God.

Thank you for your honesty. Man indeed did determine that scriptural commands of the Lord were inferior to the tradition of men.

Read through Acts. That is the progression where the Church dissociated itself from Judaism.

Certainly. But the sabbath and the holy days have always belonged to God and not the Jews. They are His possessions:

Lev 23:2 "Speak to the children of Israel, and say to them: 'The feasts of the LORD, which you shall proclaim to be holy convocations, these are My feasts.

Got it. Therefore you are not Christian. The nomenclature is Judaizer, I believe. The Jews are our elder brethren, that we must reverence as the first to know God. One must examine things, though. One cannot go back into the womb.

I readily acknowledge that I have rejected heresy and have embraced the revealed word of the Lord presented to us in scripture. But you are using the term "Judaizer" incorrectly. Biblically a Judaizer was one who wanted to reject God's grace and return to works based salvation. Sometimes it meant someone who wanted to follow Jewish tradition instead of scripture. But nowhere did it encompass someone who wished to worship the Lord on the holy days he created.

That is an often arrived-at reading of sola scriptura.

I don't reject teachers or tradition. Rightly, I reject teachers and traditions that teach error and apostasy.

237 posted on 04/11/2009 1:02:50 PM PDT by DouglasKC
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