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To: LeGrande

snip: LOL Yes through my senses I can observe reality. You on the other hand are insisting that you are aware of another reality not accessible by our senses. Can you say projection?

Spirited: There is no man...either dead or alive...who has not dreamed, fantasized, and remembered old memories. Yet these things cannot be sensed. They cannot be heard, smelled, touched, seen, or tasted. By your illogic, for ‘ill’ it is, if the brain were cut open, we ought to be able to detect by way of our senses words scrolling through our mind as we think, we should see and hear dreams, and literally be able to comb through the vaults of memory. None of this is possible.

Cognition remains a mystery, especially to materialists such as yourself who, because senses cannot account for the immaterial, find themselves in the insanity-producing situation of having to deny what every right-thinking person knows to be true.

Cognition is in truth, ‘another reality,’ to use your own words. Yet because you are an ideologue, you must conform yourself to incredibly stupid ideas cooked up by fools of an earlier time. Fools who yearned to no longer be ‘in the spiritual image’ of their Creator. Driven by Dionysian compulsions, they yearned to become part of nature in order to escape created and moral boundaries.

If materialism is paradoxically ‘true,’ then right now I am typing out a response to a soulless meat machine called “LeGrande” who used his free will to choose an ideology that denies free will. It is not LeGrande who ‘thinks’ and ‘speaks.” No, LeGrande is but a wooden-headed puppet through which Nature speaks its irrational ‘thoughts’ as it pulls Puppet-LeGrandes’ strings. That is what it logically means to be “fully caused and determined” by Nature.

Why do I waste time responding to a wooden-headed puppet? Because by use of my free will I chose our Creator, Who made each man in His spiritual image, which means that each one is endowed with spirit, mind, and free will. Hence, while you must logically deny the source of your humanity because you perversely chose an ideology that reduces you to a wooden-headed puppet, I-—who by choice am in possession of the source of my humanity-— see not a wooden-headed puppet but a person who has been duped and deceived by fools.


903 posted on 06/24/2009 5:29:41 AM PDT by spirited irish
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To: spirited irish
Spirited: There is no man...either dead or alive...who has not dreamed, fantasized, and remembered old memories.

Sorry but I haven't.

By your illogic, for ‘ill’ it is, if the brain were cut open, we ought to be able to detect by way of our senses words scrolling through our mind as we think, we should see and hear dreams, and literally be able to comb through the vaults of memory. None of this is possible.

Wrong again, putting an electrical stimulus to various places will recreate the memories.

No, LeGrande is but a wooden-headed puppet through which Nature speaks its irrational ‘thoughts’ as it pulls Puppet-LeGrandes’ strings. That is what it logically means to be “fully caused and determined” by Nature.

I have free will, if for no other reason than the uncertainty principle.

904 posted on 06/24/2009 6:42:33 AM PDT by LeGrande (I once heard a smart man say that you canÂ’t reason someone out of something that they didnÂ’t reaso)
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