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To: allmendream
Similarly, to those that suggest that species can only be created or changed by magical means, suggesting that evolution through natural selection of genetic variation does the work diminishes God to them.

Backatcha.

Similarly, to those that suggest that species can only be created or changed by magical means evolution through natural selection of genetic variation, suggesting that anything else that does the work diminishes God to them.

Cramming God into the *has to use "natural means"* as opposed to allowing Him to *poof* everything into existence is doing the very thing you condemn in others, that is limiting God to how YOU think He should work and that any other way is beneath Him.

Your contempt and scorn for the concept that God could have instantaneously created things is no different than what you complain about in others when they say He didn't use evolution.

God is not diminished by the means he chose to create things. Too bad your god is so little that he's hampered that way. The God of the Bible is not bound by time and is all powerful. He can do it instantaneously and still be God.

865 posted on 06/22/2009 3:40:56 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: metmom
You have not explained how either the instantaneous creation of the universe or the developmental creation of the universe establishes God as either a “hands off” or a “hands on” clockmaker.

It makes no difference how the “clock” was created, it is either a ‘self winding clock’ or one that needs to be ‘wound’.

For myself, I don't think someone that created a watch that needs to be ‘wound’ is as impressive as someone who created a ‘self winding’ watch.

But I am not insisting one way or the other that God HAD to do something one way or the other, I am merely suggesting that scientific discernment suggests certain physical causations COULD have accomplished the physical phenomena observed, and thus in the absence of direct Biblical information on HOW God created our Sun, one might assume God created it the same way God creates the stars we see forming right now; and that scientific assumption has direct testable and predictable implications.

866 posted on 06/22/2009 3:46:56 PM PDT by allmendream ("Wealth is EARNED not distributed, so how could it be redistributed?")
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