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To: allmendream; Alamo-Girl; TXnMA; mrjesse; hosepipe; LeGrande; Hank Kerchief; xzins; logos; metmom
...in addition to the AGE of something being immaterial to the fact that it was created by God, so too is the mechanism of creation immaterial to the fact that God is responsible for its creation.

Well that's certainly true allmendream. The only problem is TToE has nothing whatever to say about the Creation except that it was somehow "mechanical" or a mechanistic event. Theist evos turn God into the cosmic Watchmaker. But still evo theory doesn't have a clue how God made the watch. They just try to explain how it goes on ticking.

Darwin's theory is ineluctibly in the grip of the Newtonian Paradigm and the "Cartesian metaphor" of the Universe conceived as machine. If we want to understand the origin of Life, this is the WRONG MODEL!!!!!!

You'd think biologists of all people would be interested in this question.

At the end of the day, to me TToE is ultimately a doctrine, just as YEC is a doctrine. Both would seem to need serious, rational reexamination.

JMHO FWIW

845 posted on 06/22/2009 10:10:07 AM PDT by betty boop (Tyranny is always whimsical. — Mark Steyn)
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To: betty boop
Yes, just as nuclear fusion to a scientist is a “mechanistic” event. This doesn't make God into the cosmic star maker / watch maker, and is somehow less involved, it means that God is God.

It seems that unless God did things in a magical mystical way beyond understanding that he is somehow less of a God to you. To me a God who created the mechanism whereby all things would come about under his guidance is a lot more powerful and foresighted than one who has to go “poof”.

Just because God makes stars using gravity and nuclear fusion doesn't mean that God didn't make the star, or that describing gravity or nuclear fusion removes a need for God.

Biological evolution has nothing to do with the origins of life, only how they change in response to selective pressure.

As a biologist I am interested in the question of abiogenesis, and my basic philosophy is exactly the same.

If and when a rudimentary life is created by a scientist from non living matter it will, to me, only speak to the strength of the scriptures whereby God commanded the land and sea to bring forth life.

To others it will be a death blow to their faith that God can, for some unexplained reason, only create life or change life by magical mystical means rather than by utilizing the natural laws that God created.

847 posted on 06/22/2009 10:35:45 AM PDT by allmendream ("Wealth is EARNED not distributed, so how could it be redistributed?")
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To: betty boop
Darwin's theory is ineluctibly in the grip of the Newtonian Paradigm and the "Cartesian metaphor" of the Universe conceived as machine. If we want to understand the origin of Life, this is the WRONG MODEL!!!!!!

So very true. The good news is that the issues involved are of interest to mathematicians, physicists, philosophers and of course, theologians.

Thank you so much for sharing your insights, dearest sister in Christ!

882 posted on 06/23/2009 9:07:06 AM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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