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To: Alamo-Girl
However, the "observer problem" goes far beyond wave/particle duality.

Yes but the metaphor applies to all of the dualities. The wave/particle duality just happens to be one of the easier ones to illustrate. The observers choices and even the experiment itself determine in large part what type of results we will get.

You seem to be trying to go beyond the results of the experiments. As far as I know, that is unknown territory : ) If you know of a way to test the many worlds theory, or string theory, etc. that would be great. Better yet it would be nice to unify Relativity and QM that would answer a ton of questions.

I tend to agree with the emergent properties theories though and don't think we are going to unify everything. For example ice, water and vapor are the same molecule but they each have distinct characteristics depending on the phase change.

761 posted on 06/14/2009 3:03:46 PM PDT by LeGrande (I once heard a smart man say that you canÂ’t reason someone out of something that they didnÂ’t reaso)
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To: LeGrande; betty boop
You seem to be trying to go beyond the results of the experiments. As far as I know, that is unknown territory : )

The "observer problem" affects areas of knowledge which you, as an atheist, evidently reject on principle that your "reality" is only that which is physical.


770 posted on 06/14/2009 10:05:37 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: LeGrande; Alamo-Girl; Hank Kerchief; CottShop; GodGunsGuts; hosepipe; logos; xzins
You seem to be trying to go beyond the results of the experiments.

Good grief, man!!! Doesn't one have to "go beyond the results of experiments", if one wants to understand one's world and one's place in it?

I mean, think about it: No experiment ever designs itself. Yet at the same time, the source of the experimental design is itself undetectable by experimental means. Does this prove there is no source?

773 posted on 06/15/2009 12:51:55 AM PDT by betty boop (Tyranny is always whimsical. — Mark Steyn)
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