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To: LeGrande; betty boop
I was raising a more fundamental point.

The observer is part of the system he is observing. The act of observation is a state change both physical and non-physical, i.e. Shannon entropy is reduced, thermodynamic entropy is increased. And both are part of a cause/effect chain of events.

The system is always disturbed by an observation having been made.

719 posted on 06/13/2009 8:00:03 AM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: Alamo-Girl; betty boop
The system is always disturbed by an observation having been made.

Yes of course, but the uncertainty doesn't arise because the observation disturbs the system. The uncertainty is inherent to the system.

721 posted on 06/13/2009 8:08:26 AM PDT by LeGrande (I once heard a smart man say that you canÂ’t reason someone out of something that they didnÂ’t reaso)
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