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To: TXnMA; Alamo-Girl; LeGrande; mrjesse; MHGinTN; xzins
I submit (or agree) that it is physically impossible for any observer confined to a reference frame within our universal system to experience your "universal now".

Would you consider this statement worth pondering?: The Universal Now is something that can be experienced (albeit in a limited and rather fleeting way); but the experience itself cannot be "reduced to" a "measurement."

Thank you ever so much, dear brother in Christ, for your outstanding essay/post!

659 posted on 06/12/2009 1:15:39 PM PDT by betty boop (Tyranny is always whimsical. — Mark Steyn)
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To: betty boop; TXnMA; LeGrande; mrjesse; MHGinTN; xzins
Thank you so much for all your wonderful essay-posts and insights, dearest sister in Christ, and thank you for your encouragements!

As you said in an earlier post:

The time of the Eternal Now perhaps might be understood as incorporating (by virtue of its being the ultimate context of) all observations of all observers always. To an observer standing outside the finite world system, these would be perceived as simultaneous events.

But no human observer can ever "physically" do that! Man does not stand outside the system he observes, but is ineluctably part and participant of it. And yet he "shapes" the way the universe is to be seen and, thus, understood. Too often, he uses the measure of his own current (necessarily imperfect) understanding, applies it to the "objective" world, and then concludes "the world is definitively thus and so, given the criteria of judgment acceptable to ME." This is how man stumbles into the delusive position of being "the 'measure' of all things."

And as TXnMA said earlier (emphasis mine):

I submit (or agree) that it is physically impossible for any observer confined to a reference frame within our universal system to experience your "universal now".

Because of the Holy Spirit's indwelling it is possible to become more aware of being alive in Christ (timelessly) than alive in the flesh (time-bound.)

For ye are dead, and your life is hid with Christ in God. - Colossians 3:3

Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine; no more can ye, except ye abide in me. I am the vine, ye [are] the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing. - John 15:4-5

But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his. - Romans 8:9

I testify this has become true for me.

God's Name is I AM.

661 posted on 06/12/2009 1:29:20 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: betty boop
BB: Would you consider this statement worth pondering?: The Universal Now is something that can be experienced (albeit in a limited and rather fleeting way); but the experience itself cannot be "reduced to" a "measurement."

Yes'm... '-) I have pondered it, and conclude that something that is experienced "in a limited and rather fleeting way" does not fit my concept of "Universal"...

I realize that we have shared (both in-forum and privately) testimony re experiences we have had -- that are special to us as believers. However, I don't feel justified in putting my own experiences in the same category as those of The One Who is not at all bound or confined by space and time...

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P.S. Thank you for your kudos and support!

694 posted on 06/12/2009 7:24:42 PM PDT by TXnMA ("Allah": Satan's current alias...!!)
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