[hosepipe]

[ Sometimes I think that what the "freedom from" attitude really boils down to is "alienated man" desires to be free of the human condition.... Why be a man, when one putatively can be a god? Of course, it's necessary to "bump off" the real God first.... Which is really quite impossible. :^) ]

The truth is; "You gotta serve someone"(Bob Dylan)..
Even if that service is to yourself or physical body..
Freedom may be over rated..

Service(sacrifice) to God, a Neigbor or Yourself is not freedom..
If you choose one of three, and deny the others its still service..
I must re-think freedom.. It might not be possible for a human to be FREE..

At least at this time...
as you said, being free of the human condition may be the only way..
Of course you can grow to appreciate service as a good thing.. and freedom as not so good..

[betty boop]

... as you said, being free of the human condition may be the only way....

But that's precisely what I cannot say, and will not say, dear brother in Christ!

The human condition, to my mind, is precisely what needs to be embraced, in order for us mortals to see how very much the human condition carries out God's Plan for the Creation.

To my mind, what you seem to propose here is nothing less than some kind of prescription that allows us to cut ourselves off from our Maker. That somehow human existence can in any way be considered as meaningful, absent any universal (read: divine) standard of meaning.

But I think you recognize as well as I do, the dangers that pertain whenever man decides to make himself (i.e., human experience per se) the "measure" of reality....

[Alamo-Girl]

Service(sacrifice) to God, a Neigbor or Yourself is not freedom..
If you choose one of three, and deny the others its still service..
I must re-think freedom.. It might not be possible for a human to be FREE..

With the exception of those who are comatose or otherwise mentally/physically indisposed, it seems to me that people will serve some thing or some one. If not God then self or someone else or an objective, organization, etc.

But I don't think it is possible for any person to escape the "human condition." Even those in a coma will eventually die and have to deal with it.