=[[“God is a cause,” You need to rethink that one.]]
No I don’t- you’ve asserted somethign that isn’t true- God is not a cause- He causes- God is eternal- He was not caused, nor is He a cause of something
[[shannon theory and information theory have absolutely nothing to do with human intelligence or the nature of life.]]
It most certainly does- information is useless without a way to communicate that information to the receiver- We are NOT talking about human intelligence here- We are talking about hte sustaining communicaiton of informaiton- You missed a VERY good thread here about Shannon theory
[[Why do you go on and on about “life could not have inititiated itself.”]]
Why? Because you made the statement that it did (and consequently, life DID come from non life- whether you hold to God’s creation, or the impossible Macroevolutionary ideology
[[this is really only a model, because we cannot study life in the same way we study any physical process.]]
Life IS a physical process
[[Life is not a “thing” or a “substance” but it is an attribute or quality that changes the mere physical into a living organism.]]
Hmmm- not really- Life is a process driven by energy conversion, chemical conversion etc- it’s a set of conversions that keep the species going/thriving and in a fit condition- when any of htose processes cease, or begin to break down, the species begins to suffer, and eventually cease to thrive
[[The physical aspects of an organism cannot sustain life.]]
first, without hte physical, the informational process that keeps hte species fit has nothign to work with- there woudl be no receiver, no ability to communicate the info etc- the two, the physical and hte informational, are interdependent- co-dependent
[[It is the life process that sustains the physical aspects of the organism,]]
That is true- however you’ve oversimplified, underexpounded upon, the ‘life process’- the ‘life process’ consists of many inderdependent physical and informational, and communication systems
[[Don’t know? Then don’t regale me with nonsense about Shannon theory.]]
It would seem that you are hte one that doesn’t understand the theory or hte process or the heirarchies that MUST exist BEFORE the species can thrive- and chemicals and nature can NOT provide those heirarchies unfortunately, it MUST come from a Causer- an intelligence that configures and constructs these highly complex systems of informaiton. Again you missed a VERY good htread on htis issue
[[since you know all about shannon codes and such.]]
I don’t know ‘all about’ it, but I understand enough of the basic principles to KNOW that you MUST have several very key processes, receivers, and senders of information, and heirarchies inp,lace BEFORE the communication of information can take place in order for hte species to thrive and remain fit in hte face of entropy/the second law- Shannon hteory isn’t about code- it’s about ‘sender/receiver’ communication of hte info- and in ‘life’s irreducible complexities’ thread, the thread shows that species MUST have metainformaiton inplace BEFORE a species can thrive- it (the metainformaiton needed to sustain life) can NOT simply form naturally via mutaitons and blind processes
“God is not a cause”
Is see. So do you believe in a first cause, and if so what is it, since it is not God?
Or are you agreeing with me that there is no first cause.
Hank
Life IS a physical process.
Really? I don’t believe in God or spirits, but know that life is not a “physical” process.
You believe in God and spirits and believe life is a physical process. Does that mean you do not believe God, angels, and the souls of men are alive, or that you believe God, angels and the souls of men are physical.
Just wondering.
Hank