“Seems to me that Hank Kerchief is advocating the worldview that time, space and life are merely attributes. Or to put it another way, that such things are not objectively real, merely relative measurements and therefore beginnings are irrelevant.”
No, my view is that all of reality exists independently of anyone’s awareness or knowledge of it, and that it’s nature is independent of anyone’s belief about. You again have completely mischaracterized both my views and what I said. It is very near slander, which I don’t think you intended, however.
So everything else you said is about a view I do not hold.
I’m not sure if this absurdity is because of a reading comprehension problem or lack of normal discernment.
All I said is, that we cannot have knowledge anything we cannot be conscious of. Now if you are never conscious of something, it does not mean it does not exist, it does not mean it is not true, it only means you are not conscious of it. Now if you cannot be conscious of it in any way whatsoever, you cannot possibly know it. If you cannot see it, or a pricture of it, or no one ever describes it to you, or you never read about, or God never reveals to you, YOU CANNOT KNOW IT. You cannot know anything that does not in some way come into your conscious mind.
I even warned you to be careful when you read what I wrote. You completely misunderstood it, but you obviously have your preconceived idea about what others must believe if they don’t agree with you. You took the bait.
Love to know how you think you can know something you have never been conscious of in any way whatsoever. Here’s a test. Try to name something you’ve never been conscious of it. See, if you name, your are conscious of it. (I said “conscious of”, not perceive.)
OH, yes, it is very discourteous to talk about someone in the third person when they are part of the conversation.
Hank
Your protests are quite ineffective to me, dear Hank Kerchief.
Let me recall exactly what you said at post 1207 (emphasis mine:)
In my personal epistemology, the knowledge I consider most certain and of the highest value and priority is that which I receive directly from God, e.g. that Jesus Christ is God. That did not come from me. Now was I conscious of Him as God.
Jesus is in fact the wisdom of God, the power of God.
But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him.
But God hath revealed [them] unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God. For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God.
Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God. Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.
But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know [them], because they are spiritually discerned.
But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man. For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him? But we have the mind of Christ. II Cor 2:6-16
For the Jews require a sign, and the Greeks seek after wisdom: But we preach Christ crucified, unto the Jews a stumblingblock, and unto the Greeks foolishness; But unto them which are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God, and the wisdom of God.
Because the foolishness of God is wiser than men; and the weakness of God is stronger than men. – I Corinthians 1:19-25