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To: Alamo-Girl; betty boop; hosepipe; xzins

But you are free to believe what you wish.

Well, of course, so are you. That does not mean I cannot be sorry for you and what you believe. Because I can do that too. That’s what being a free individual is.

Now you have taken to characterizing what I “believe,” though you do not have the slightest knowledge of all I believe. I have not done that to you. Why do you people think you can read people’s minds?

I know your view is an artificial construct made up out of so much credulity, feeling, and wishful thinking. Artificial constructs are just what you get when rationalism (as opposed to empiricism, which I’m not advocating) and ideas not based on evidence or reasoning from the evidence are the source of your ideas. When there is no evidence for your beliefs, how ever complex your “reasoning” it is ultimately, just made up—that’s what an artificial construct is.

Now I never would have said that, if you had not chosen characterize my beliefs based on your own preconceived views of what you “think” I believe.

For example, why would you say something like this:

“As I said before, the title ‘scientist’ does not confer on the bearer the property of infallibility.” What has that got to do with anything. I neither think anything like that, or ever said anything to imply it. Why do you inject thoughts into other peoples arguments? Your the one that likes to use Cosmology and quote scientist to back up your theological ideas.

You already know I am not a physicalist, that there is a lot more evidence than that which is directly available to perception. I cannot perceive my consciousness, yet I know I am conscious. I cannot perceive my ability to consciously choose (volition) or reason, but I do them, and that fact is evidence of more than the physical can explain, or any physical science will every explain.

Appreciate you comments.

Hank


1,224 posted on 07/05/2009 12:58:30 PM PDT by Hank Kerchief
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To: Hank Kerchief; Alamo-Girl; xzins; TXnMA; hosepipe; marron
That’s what being a free individual is.

What does this "attribute" freedom entail? Freedom for or freedom from?

[Oh, and by the way, what's an individual, in which such a quality can inhere in the first place?]

I suspect that the answers that you and A-G would give to the question "What is freedom?" would be different. Thus, that difference would be the very thing that distinguishes the difference of fundamental worldview of each of you respectively, and which seems to put them so mutually at odds.

1,239 posted on 07/05/2009 2:40:35 PM PDT by betty boop (One can best feel in dealing with living things how primitive physics still is. — A. Einstein)
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