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To: CottShop
[ I’m asking, if we can’t take eye witness accounts such as Jesus walking on water as literal truth ]

Unless you were there, there is no there there..
In that case you are bound to faith in "the words"..

I believe its possible and maybe even true too.. (walking on water)
But Jesus miracles holds no candle to a daily walk in faith/spirit..

I don't believe in miracles, I rely on them..

1,138 posted on 07/01/2009 10:06:47 AM PDT by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole....)
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To: hosepipe

[[Unless you were there, there is no there there..]]

Sure htere is- the desciples were there- they have proven htemselves quite reliable throughout God’s word, and I have no problem takign htem at their word- As well, other accounts of Christ’s life from secular historians and writers and rulers etc have corroberated the desciples accoutns on certain issues/acts as well- so we have reliable accoutns attesting to hte accuracy and truthfulness of hte writers time and time again- there’s no reason to doubt they saw and recorded what they did.

Our current walk is of course important, but it’s also very important that we know we have a bible that recorded history accurately, and truthfully, and it’s important that have a word that isn’t open ot subjective tinkering, because if we have no objective literal truth to stand on, then what’s hte point of God giving us truth in hte first place? If nothign can be taken as literal, then there’s no concrete literal truth to stand on, and religion becomes meaningless other than to subjugate it’s follows with subjective rules and regulations.

And just ofr hte record, Jesus’ miracles had huge Jewish implicatiosn far beyond just hte act itself- they were performed By Christ in such a manner steeped in Jewish tradition that hte Jews couldn’t honestly deny He was indeed the Messiah come to earth- even htough a great many still refused to beleive what htey had both seen and heard for htemselves- again, they preferred subjective reasoning over objective literal truth Christ provided first hand for hteir benifit. They rejected it, and He then offered His truth to the Gentiles- but sadly, a great many today prefer not to beleive His objective truths/acts, and doubt the literalism of His acts today- and we’re seeing God remove His blessings once again as a result- but I suppose these things must come to pass- it’s just sad to see happen- America and Britain, two tiny nations once mightily blessed By God because we turned to His truths, are becoming nothign but a joke in the eyes of nations aroudn hte world because we’ve preferred to doubt our Creator i nthese latter days- both our nations were turned to by the whole world for help and we were both admired once, and known as ‘God-Fearing Nations’ but htis is no logner hte case- with our leader hismelf claiming we ‘are not a Christian nation, but one made up of many beliefs’- He’s publically denying our dependence on God, and we’re about to suffer the consequences- although Obama and hte dems can’t quite see htrough hteir ‘progressive’ blinders the impact of their Denial of God’s truth.


1,139 posted on 07/01/2009 10:55:56 AM PDT by CottShop (Scientific belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge)
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