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To: betty boop
It's as if the entire scientific community has willfully shut itself up in a very small, cramped, and by now thoroughly stuffy and foetid room — and promises to destroy anyone who tries to open a door or window, so to let in light and fresh air.

Where science is used to promote a political, religious, or moneyed agenda I would have to agree, but it has always been that way. Many people would rather die than change their opinion.

1,012 posted on 06/27/2009 12:57:48 PM PDT by LeGrande (I once heard a smart man say that you canÂ’t reason someone out of something that they didnÂ’t reaso)
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Where science is used to promote a political, religious, or moneyed agenda I would have to agree, but it has always been that way. Many people would rather die than change their opinion.

It is certainly true (based on my observation) that "many people would rather die than change their opinion." Somehow I believe that you do not fit that category. I do have reason to believe that you care about Truth. Call it basic intuition....

LeGrande, what of the case when "many people" are attempting to use science as a means either of (1) supposedly disproving the existence of God; or (2), in grudging acknowledgement that that is an exercise in futility, then settling for "second-best": supposedly proving that God is entirely irrelevant to anything pertaining to the natural world?

Boiling it all down, where do we humans get the universal idea of Truth from in the first place, if there is no universal standard by which it can be (1) identified (perceived); (2) known; and (3) relied on? [Check out the seeming paradox implicit in that statement.]

There is nothing in the natural world that is "universal enuf" to serve as a ground for Truth, to provide an ultimate criterion on which logic could be constructed. So to speak. Everything "here" — i.e., within the range of direct human experience — is finite; i.e., "in time." Yet universality has the essential quality or property of timelessness. The quality of universality is what makes a law of Nature a LAW....

I do believe that is the very insight at the heart of Descartes' observation that the idea of God is the necessary foundation of every other idea we have or could ever have, including the idea of the personal self, or (as he put it) the ego.

Jeepers, contemporary science's apparent monomania on this issue appears to me to utterly "queer the deal" when it comes to the quest, the search for Truth.

JMHO (resting on many great ones), FWIW.

1,013 posted on 06/27/2009 2:38:31 PM PDT by betty boop (Tyranny is always whimsical. — Mark Steyn)
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