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To: Alamo-Girl; TXnMA
To make a long story short, an astrophysicist friend of betty boop's - whose specialty is the sun - early on wondered about light as an information carrier (channel.) His speculation sounds like it might dovetail into your field of expertise.

My friend — the astrophysicist Attila Grandpierre, Senior Researcher at the Konkoly Observatory of the Hungarian Academy of Science — conjectures the following (in The Book of the Living Universe, as yet unpublished in English):

We point out that virtual particles are ideal tools for biological organization. The spatial position and timing of creating and absorbing a virtual photon is allowed by quantum physics. Therefore, virtual photons can be created in due time to realize biologically useful couplings which serve as the physical basis for biological functions.

On this basis, we can expect that biological organization acts within the realm of virtual photons; i.e., below the quantum level. According to our proposal, virtual photons realize the timing of biochemical processes as well as the activation of the biologically useful biochemical reactions that could not occur in the absence of activation. This means that virtual interactions and biological organization can hold the key to a full understanding of the forces of nature. Therefore, our proposal tells that at all interactions in which the vacuum can play a role, biological effects can be present.

Thus as Alamo-Girl has pointed out, in this model, the "sea" of virtual photons would be the communications channel of Shannon theory.

Perhaps needless to say, Dr. Grandpierre seems not to regard physics as the "largest model," with biology a "special case" of that model. His proposal involves the conjecture that biology itself is the "largest model," and physics is a special case of it.

That's a very bold and daring thing to say nowadays. There's a huge pushback from the orthodox science community, to say the least, when a person says such a thing....

1,001 posted on 06/27/2009 9:09:25 AM PDT by betty boop (Tyranny is always whimsical. — Mark Steyn)
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To: betty boop

I’ll jhave to read your friend’s statements more carefully later- I spoke with a fella that theorized that water, under great pressure, created light, and experiments have confirmed this- He theorized that this light was the first light spoken of in hte bible, and htat it had implications in other areas as well- I’ll see if I can’t find his articles now- He took his argument to Darwin Central I beleive it was, but got hammered there (Per usual- as per hteir petty tactics of argue via attackign hte messenger)- but college professors were pretty impressed with his theories form what I gathered-


1,003 posted on 06/27/2009 9:21:58 AM PDT by CottShop (Scientific belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge)
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To: betty boop

I’m sorry- it was on sound producing light- not water producing light- Matter moving accordign to that which is spoken- in otherwords, matter responding to cummonication- light beign produced by communicaiton, light transporting the message, etc- Here’s a quote from him:

“But here is the kicker: information only comes from a mind—and EVERYTHING in the universe is a body of information in the form of energy. It is held together by mathematics and belief. The transmission vehicle for any thought is what? The only one —the spoken Word (also written= different form).”

His name was Samson Dakato- Can’t find hte link to his site right now though- but Google might bring it up under somethign liek “Samson Dakota light hteory”


1,004 posted on 06/27/2009 9:31:04 AM PDT by CottShop (Scientific belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge)
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To: betty boop
Thank you so very much for sharing those insights from Attila Grandpierre!

Perhaps needless to say, Dr. Grandpierre seems not to regard physics as the "largest model," with biology a "special case" of that model. His proposal involves the conjecture that biology itself is the "largest model," and physics is a special case of it.

As you say that is an inversion of the generally accepted view.

1,029 posted on 06/28/2009 6:36:52 AM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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