[restornu]

You are still insisting in putting words in my mouth I said the Lord Jesus Christ Church not Joseph Smith, Mormon or Paul, or Peter, But Jesus Christ who is ahead of His Church.

I stand firm with my Lord and others will try to make it something else but that their problem NOT mine!:)

[reaganaut]

to the LDS Jesus Christ = The Church of Jesus Christ = The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints. They are equal.

If someone finds Christ outside the LDS church then to the LDS they have not found Christ at all. Christ can only be found inside the LDS church. Therefore true salvation is only inside the LDS church. You cannot separate them

Been there...done that...read the Book...saw the movie...wore the garments.

[reaganaut]

And if you do not place your salvation in the hands of Joseph Smith, then why are you a member of the church he founded which claims to be the ONLY true church on the face of the earth?

[SENTINEL]

Apostle Orson Hyde: “I discover that some of the Eastern papers represent me as a great blasphemer, because I said, in my lecture on Marriage, at our last Conference, that JESUS CHRIST WAS MARRIED at Cana of Galilee, THAT MARY, MARTHA, AND OTHERS WERE HIS WIVES, AND THAT HE BEGAT CHILDREN. All I have to say in reply to that charge [that Jesus was married and had children] is this --- they worship a Savior that is too pure and holy to fulfil the commands of his Father. I worship one that is just pure and holy enough "to fulfil all righteousness;" not only the righteous law of baptism, but the still more righteous and important law "to multiply and replenish the earth." Startle not at this ! for even the Father himself honored that law by coming down to Mary, without a natural body, and begetting a son; and if Jesus begat children, he only "did that which he had seen his father do." (Journal of Discourses, Volume 2, page 210; brackets mine)

2 Corinthians 11:12-15 12. And I will keep on doing what I am doing in order to cut the ground from under those who want an opportunity to be considered equal with us in the things they boast about. 13. For such men are false apostles, deceitful workmen, masquerading as apostles of Christ.

[Godzilla]

You are still insisting in putting words in my mouth I said the Lord Jesus Christ Church not Joseph Smith, Mormon or Paul, or Peter, But Jesus Christ who is ahead of His Church.

Who is telling you about all this - Joseph Smith - therefore it is from smith's mouth.

[SENTINEL]

• "President Smith then stated that the meeting had been called, because God had commanded it; and it was made known to him by vision and by the Holy Spirit. . . . it was the will of God that they should be ordained to the ministry and go forth to prune the vineyard for the last time, for the coming of the Lord, which was nigh — even fifty six years should wind up the scene." (History of the Church, Vol. 2, page 182).This prophecy was spoken by Joseph Smith in 1835, and recorded by Oliver Cowdery. The fifty-six years were passed by 1891.

Deuteronomy 18:22 (King James Version) 22 When a prophet speaketh in the name of the LORD, if the thing follow not, nor come to pass, that is the thing which the LORD hath not spoken, but the prophet hath spoken it presumptuously: thou shalt not be afraid of him.

Perhaps you'd like to explain how this is misused, Resty.

Careful, I just ran a search on LDS.org......Guess how many Conference talks refernce "History of the Church" ?

Go ahead and say it's not "Doctrine"....

:)