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HOW SOME ANTI-MORMONS MIS USE THE TRUTH. (OPEN)
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Posted on 03/23/2009 10:27:54 AM PDT by fproy2222
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posted on
03/23/2009 10:27:54 AM PDT
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fproy2222
To: fproy2222
I think you have that wrong. It’s not anti-Mormon, it’s anti-Mormon theology .....
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posted on
03/23/2009 10:29:39 AM PDT
by
SkyDancer
('Those who hammer their guns into plows will plow for those who do not..' ~ Thomas Jefferson)
To: fproy2222
The Mormon church as I see it serves three (at least) major purposes: It functions as a support group for middle class people trying to raise children; as a very necessary bulwark against the power of the federal government in areas in which 80% or more of the available land is owned by BLM; and as a logical total proof that most people do not really give a rat’s *** about theology one way or another.
To: SkyDancer
Do you agree with the way the evidence against our teachings was done here?
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posted on
03/23/2009 10:37:34 AM PDT
by
fproy2222
(Jesus is the Christ)
To: fproy2222
Name ONE prophecy of Joseph Smith which has come to pass.
Why all the revisions?
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posted on
03/23/2009 10:39:42 AM PDT
by
sirchtruth
(Gravity Of The Situation...)
To: fproy2222
I must agree with you that for any person on FR to take a statement (or part of one) out of context to try to make it say something that it does not is shameful. We should not be stooping to that level.
I've seen the same thing done with the bible, and it is probably happened with other writings and references.
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posted on
03/23/2009 10:40:12 AM PDT
by
MEGoody
(Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.)
To: varmintman
Do not use potty language - or references to potty language - on the Religion Forum.
To: colorcountry; Colofornian; Elsie; FastCoyote; svcw; Zakeet; SkyPilot; rightazrain; ...
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posted on
03/23/2009 10:43:34 AM PDT
by
greyfoxx39
(Recession-Your neighbor loses his job, Depression-you lost your job, Recovery-Obama loses HIS job.)
To: SkyDancer
I think you have that wrong. Its not anti-Mormon, its anti-Mormon theology .....
If someone believes Mormon theology, that's his individual right.
However, some of the Mormon FReepers insist everyone agree that their religion is Christian. It is no more Christian than Islam, Scientology, or Buddhism.
I understand that to be politically viable at the national level, the Christian spin has to become the mainstream public view of LDS. Not going to happen.
To: fproy2222
An actual mormon thread started by a mormon?!! I am shocked...this is FR, right?
Freegards
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posted on
03/23/2009 10:45:12 AM PDT
by
Ransomed
(Son of Ransomed Says Keep the Faith!)
To: fproy2222
I don’t see a contextual difference between the full statement and the excerpted one.
Basic point I get from both is that the LDS President is saying that 19th Century Christianity is a perfect tool for the devil. You reintroducing the excerpted text didn’t seem to add anything to that other than some points to support the main idea which was in the excerpt.
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posted on
03/23/2009 10:46:18 AM PDT
by
American_Centurion
(No, I don't trust the government to automatically do the right thing.)
To: fproy2222
Many Mormon leaders have made very similar statements about Christianity.
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posted on
03/23/2009 10:46:45 AM PDT
by
colorcountry
(A faith without truth is not true faith.)
To: fproy2222
Thanks for opening this discussion. Now, be prepared to learn a few things.
First off, I don't see any difference in the meaning of what Taylor was saying about Christianity from the parsed quote and the full quote. He is degrading Christianity either way you look at it.
Secondly, this is NOT an isolated quote of Taylor's. We can find other examples of him bashing Christianity:
"Brother Taylor has just said that the religions of the day were hatched in hell. The eggs were laid in hell, hatched on its borders, and then kicked on to the earth."
-Mormon Prophet and Church President Brigham Young, in "Journal of Discourses," 6:176
"Where shall we look for the true order or authority of God? It cannot be found in any nation of Christendom."
-Mormon Prophet and Church President John Taylor, in "Journal of Discourses," 10:127
"What! Are Christians ignorant? Yes, as ignorant of the things of God as the brute beast."
"What does the Christian world know about God? Nothing... Why so far as the things of God are concerned, they are the veriest fools; they know neither God nor the things of God."
-Mormon Prophet and Church President John Taylor, in "Journal of Discourses," 13:225
Why are you disavowing your church's history. Don't you get it? The whole foundation of the LDS Church is that Christianity is the "whore of Babylon".
So, my question for you is this...do you disagree with the Book of Mormon that compares Christianity to the "whore of Babylon"?
Do you disagree with the comments of Taylor?
Simple questions - YES or NO?
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posted on
03/23/2009 10:48:55 AM PDT
by
GLDNGUN
To: fproy2222
The paraphrase of that quote is misleading (and shouldn’t have been used in this manner) — but that does not necessarily mean the overall message is wrong.
I would be more hesitant to attribute this cavalier use of ellipsis to all “anti-mormons” (defined, I assume, as anyone stating outright disagreement with mormonism). It was the poor judgment of a single individual — it was not the basis of the entire “anti-mormon” movement.
SnakeDoc
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posted on
03/23/2009 10:49:03 AM PDT
by
SnakeDoctor
(God Bless Our Troops -- Especially Our Snipers)
To: MEGoody
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posted on
03/23/2009 10:52:16 AM PDT
by
fproy2222
(Jesus is the Christ)
To: peyton randolph
However, some of the Mormon FReepers insist everyone agree that their religion is Christian. It is no more Christian than Islam, Scientology, or Buddhism.
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There are differences between the LDS Church and the other Christian Churches. That is why I chose to become a Mormon.
I just do not understand why folks who want to teach us, and others, that we are wrong, need to create so much untruth to show the differences.
I would think that since these people call themselves Christians they would be more careful about the “You shall not bear false witness against your neighbour” thing.
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posted on
03/23/2009 10:55:46 AM PDT
by
fproy2222
(Jesus is the Christ)
To: sirchtruth
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posted on
03/23/2009 10:59:35 AM PDT
by
Sundog
(The founding fathers understood what would happen when all three branches of government failed.)
To: SkyDancer; fproy2222
Are you saying that the author intended “it” to refer to “talk” and not “Christianity”? If so, that’s one doozy of a misstatement on the part of the author. If not, I don’t see where the statement is used improperly.
On the other hand, it’s a little more ambiguous whether “it” refers later to Christianity, or civilization, but then where is the ambiguity to “and the Devil could not invent a better engine to spread his work than the Christianity of the nineteenth century.”
Particularly striking is that the author uses no modifier on Christianity in that last sentence. Had he said, “so-called Christianity,” I would be able to charitably read into his statement that he was merely saying that there was a lot of evil going on under the guise of Christianity in the 18th century. But as worded, he seems to plainly be referring to such devil’s work as Christianity itself, not some perversion of it.
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posted on
03/23/2009 11:04:58 AM PDT
by
dangus
To: fproy2222
The use of the full quote does NOT change the sentiment of the quote.
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posted on
03/23/2009 11:05:02 AM PDT
by
reaganaut
(ex-mormon, now Christian. "I once was lost but now am found, was blind but now I see")
To: Sundog
http://scriptures.lds.org/dc/130/12#12 Prophesy made in 1843
I didn't know Harpers Ferry was in South Carolina: On October 16, 1859, the radical abolitionist John Brown led a group of 21 men in a raid on the Arsenal...John Brown's men were quickly pinned down by local citizens and militia, and forced to take refuge in the engine house adjacent to the armory...The Secretary of War asked for the assistance of the Navy Department for a unit of United States Marines, the nearest troops. [6] Lieutenant Israel Greene was ordered to take a force of 86 Marines to the town. In need of an officer to lead the expedition, U.S. Army Lieutenant Colonel Robert E. Lee was found on leave nearby and was assigned as commander along with Lieutenant J. E. B. Stuart as his aide-de-camp. The whole contingent arrived by train on October 18, and after negotiation failed, they stormed the fire house and captured most of the raiders, killing a few and suffering a single casualty themselves. Brown was tried for treason against the state of Virginia, convicted, and hanged in nearby Charles Town. Starry's testimony was integral to his conviction. Following the prosecution (by Andrew Hunter), "John Brown captured the attention of the nation like no other abolitionist or slave owner before or since." The Marines returned to their barracks and Colonel Lee returned to finish his leave. The raid was a catalyst for the Civil War...
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