[reaganaut]

They are the same shepard.

Baptism is a means of grace (a concept the LDS don’t understand).

The denominations that practice infant baptism (where the child is baptized so that they may grow in faith) have the rite of confirmation, which is a public declaration of faith.

For the groups that do not practice infant baptism (they have baby dedications where a child is blessed so that they may grow in faith). Then baptism becomes a public declaration of faith.

[Colofornian]

Baptism is a means of grace (a concept the LDS don’t understand).

Yes, exactly.

I saw several queries on 2 threads yesterday asking if baptism was a "requirement" -- as if the emphasis in baptism is on what a person is doing in that water. A person becoming baptized is a receiver.

"Checklist religion" has trouble fathoming a faith focused on reception.

It wants to scurry everywhere to complete its "to do" list to try to change God's mind about who they are.

[Stourme]

They are the same shepard.

Sorry you don't get it both ways.

Unless you believe God is a liar? I say He is not. God does not teach one group one doctrine then at the same time teach another group just the opposite.

This is why I say that any church that teaches the concept as you have explained it .... is hollow. Because the view is not realistic.

I have provided examples from the authorized creeds of different modern religion that explicitly contradict your doctrine.

The Lutheran doctrine literally condemns your doctrine. As they actually say, "condemn" when describing your doctrine.

So you both can't be right. So which of you is wrong....you or the Lutherans?

If you say the Lutherans are right...then you agree with them that you're condemned to hell.....which is strange...but what ever floats your boat.

While you're thinking on that, you might enjoy this

The Baptists view on the founder of the Methodist church

Kumbaya time...