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To: Reaganesque; Alex Murphy; greyfoxx39; MHGinTN; aMorePerfectUnion; Elsie; colorcountry; svcw; ...
OK, Reaganesque, in a matter of half of a day on two threads, you've asked Elsie, Greyfoxx39, ruy dias de bivar, aMorePerfectUnion, and Alex Murphy the same exact John 21:15-17 based question – re: what we should do if we love him: Should a servant of the Lord therefore feed His sheep or mock them for wandering away?

You've made several assumptions which may – or may not – be so. One, is that Lds have been “inside the flock” to begin with as once-upon-a-time true sheep.

The apostle Paul and Jesus addressed that not all donning the doorsteps of church facilities are to be categorized as "sheep":

Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood. For I know this, that after my departing shall grievous wolves enter in among you, not sparing the flock. Also of your own selves shall men arise, speaking perverse things, to draw away disciples after them. Therefore watch, and remember, that by the space of three years I ceased not to warn every one night and day with tears.” (Acts 20:28-31)

Some "sheep" are simply "grievous wolves" who speek "perverse" (literally twisted) things. Listen, LDS engaging in massive polygamy; labeling black skin a "curse,"; labeling Adam as "god," labeling god as a spiritually evolved man, encouraging men to atone for their own sins via shedding of their own blood, etc. etc. etc...these have ALL been twisted things that wolflike disciples have used to "draw men after them."

Essentially, Paul was echoing Jesus:

Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves. Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles? Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.  A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit. Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire. Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them. Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them, I NEVER KNEW YOU: depart from me, ye that work iniquity. (Matthew 7:15-23)

Not every “Lord-caller” is going to enter heaven (Mt. 7:21). Unlike the false gospel of the alleged “pre-existence,” Jesus counters this impression among the religionists of His day by calling the Pharisees "children of Satan" in John 8:41,44 and ones he ”never knew” in Mt. 7:23. Lds basically shove this back into Jesus' face, and say to Him, “No Jesus you were wrong to call the Pharisees as of sons of 'your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do.'” (John 8:44).

And: "What? Jesus? Did you forget? Why, we were all spirit bros in the pre-existence! And how come you told them you never knew them? Did you forget coming down Mary's birth canal that we were all spirit bros back then?"

Sorry, but the apostle Paul 5 TIMES said we need to be “adopted” as His children! (Rom. 8:15,23; 9:4; Gal. 4:5; Eph. 1:5). The apostle John says God gives us the "right" – the Greek word is exousia -- the authority to BECOME the sons of God. (John 1:12) We BECOME his sons; we are not automatic sons of the pre-existence!

As for your many of your last 1/2-day old comments about interpretive comments that you say are either of...
...love
...hate
...evil
...insulting
...wrong
...and mockery
...would you please explain how “loving” and not "insulting" it is to send 60,000+ missionaries and countless Ward-based people and countless media resources calling us...
...“apostate”
...“wrong”
...“corrupt”
...100% putrid creed-wise???
...and to be taking such a million-missionary, world-wide initiative for the past 180 years to do so??? As compared to a few dozen for a bit over a decade of FREERepublic???

Don't you and other Lds make a “mockery” of our beliefs to say ALL of our creeds are an abomination to God? (I've never said every LDS belief is putrid!)

You wondered about the mention of Him or His Gospel in post #26:

Well, I testify that Jesus' blood was powerful enough not only to atone for Adam's sin, but mine. I have his rich blood streak running over every part of my sinful body, my sinful mind, my sinful soul, my sinful spirit. I am drenched in His blood; saturated in it; bathed in it. It cleanses me entirely of all past sins, my present sins, and every sin I'll commit (or action I'll fail to responsibly commit) because I entrust that His blood is sufficient for me.
His blood,
His mercy,
His grace
...makes me "worthy"--tho the fact that He went to the cross for me shows my ultimate value.

Like any heir, I'm an heir by His death and His gift to me...NOT an heir based upon...
...my works,
...my obedience,
...my self-promotional worthiness,
...my commandment-keeping,
...my bishop-graded temple recommend,
...my Word-of-wisdom keeping,
...my exaltation checklist,
...who I marry,
...if I marry,
...and all the other plural "My-s" I can ever list--as if my life was to center on...
...me
...or as if all my good works were primarily or unconsciously done to boomerang back on my bootstraps to kick me into divinity...
...rather than simply to love the One I serve.

128 posted on 03/16/2009 10:58:42 AM PDT by Colofornian
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To: Colofornian

Wow. A very loud AMEN to that!


172 posted on 03/16/2009 8:59:04 PM PDT by reaganaut (ex-mormon, now Christian. "I once was lost but now am found, was blind but now I see")
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To: Colofornian; reaganaut; colorcountry; Alamo-Girl; Tennessee Nana; Elsie; MHGinTN; ...

Well, I testify that Jesus' blood was powerful enough not only to atone for Adam's sin, but mine. I have his rich blood streak running over every part of my sinful body, my sinful mind, my sinful soul, my sinful spirit. I am drenched in His blood; saturated in it; bathed in it. It cleanses me entirely of all past sins, my present sins, and every sin I'll commit (or action I'll fail to responsibly commit) because I entrust that His blood is sufficient for me.
His blood,
His mercy,
His grace
...makes me "worthy"--tho the fact that He went to the cross for me shows my ultimate value.

Like any heir, I'm an heir by His death and His gift to me...NOT an heir based upon...
...my works,
...my obedience,
...my self-promotional worthiness,
...my commandment-keeping,
...my bishop-graded temple recommend,
...my Word-of-wisdom keeping,
...my exaltation checklist,
...who I marry,
...if I marry,
...and all the other plural "My-s" I can ever list--as if my life was to center on...
...me
...or as if all my good works were primarily or unconsciously done to boomerang back on my bootstraps to kick me into divinity...
...rather than simply to love the One I serve.

Now THERE is a testimony!

186 posted on 03/17/2009 6:12:43 AM PDT by greyfoxx39 (Recession-Your neighbor loses his job, Depression-you lost your job, Recovery-Obama loses HIS job.)
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To: Reaganesque; Arrowhead
Beware of those who agenda is to smear and lie about Prophets and undermind The Church of Jesus Christ!

Eph 4

11 And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;

12 For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ:

13 Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:

14 That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive;

There are many here who try 24/7 to deceive as written in 14...

Blessed be to Jesus who gave us some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;

12 For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ:

209 posted on 03/17/2009 7:30:07 AM PDT by restornu (By His Light We See Things Differenly ~ Neal A. Maxwell,)
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